Hell of an FOBT 'discussion'/phone in on Radio 5Live, now
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equine the argument for years re gambling ,spending etc is that people spend more,money they havnt got if its done through ,credit,online,you seem to be suggesting the opposite ,that someone with a gambling problem bets in cash , rather than through credit online etc
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when is the decision on these fobs expected to be reached,,
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nobody knows, its an obvious argument that has been repeatedly made, but the facts are bookmakers do want to keep their golden egg
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Before gaming machines were allowed in betting shops working men's clubs attracted many of the gamblers. Back in the 90s I was Secretary of such a club in Yorkshire with £100 and £150 jackpots and we had punters who would put in upwards of £100 per session. The difference is that this money helped to pay for members children and pensioner trips and Christmas parties. Many of these clubs have been forced to close because of the loss of this revenue. This sort of thing is never mentioned during these discussions.
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when is the outcome expected please.
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Fantastic interview by Stephen Nolan, who obviously had done his homework beforehand, totally demolished the WH spokesman, pity the grilling did not extend to Laddies' chief apologist who apparently has done a runner!
One question which has got to be asked is why multi-millionaire Knight of the Realm, Sir Anthony McCoy, allows his photo to be plastered all over the FOBTs!! Does AP really need more dosh? No surprise If it was Fitzy's image on the crack machines, as this greedy waste-of-space self-appointed punters' pal continues to prove daily that he will sink to any low to scrounge another grubby payday! |
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Often wondered about McCoy myself Ihal, no need whatever for him to help those parasites.
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99.99% of them don't play them responsibly
I've seen it all the **** who covers his ears turns around and hums The one who runs away and try's to kick the ball in The one who shouts at staff that they fix the ball The one who spits at staff Aweful aweful things I m o Like salmon spray has said pubs sell beer tobacco company's sell tobacco This lot pretend they are bookies when in fact they are a front for mini casinos on every high street in the land I hate the things |
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If the fobt is not the bread and butter of the present high street bookies could anyone explain why their head honchos are so worried about a reduction in max limit from £100 per 20 second spin to £2?
If fobt is not contributing towards a majority of bookies revenue/profit annually again why are they stating advertisement and sponsorship of horse racing might be reduced? I bet religiously and regularly on big races, Flat and National Hunt, using a laptop but I've never used my mobile, why? It is to convenient and addictive eg log in whilst out shopping, etc. I occasionally used the mobile to ring my stockbroker but only if access to a laptop was unavailable. Also, using a laptop I have the time to relax, think and re-think before initiating a transaction. But I cannot with a mobile. Playing fobt in a betting shop is every different to playing on a computer at home. I only played roulette if they are free given as a promotion on my laptop but it was so boring and not sufficiently stimulating for me ie only luck but no intelligence or knowledge involved. Also, the graphics were dull and less colourful thus rendering it less attractive and exciting; the noise generated was also uninteresting, bland and not catchy enough. It's akin to watching a film on a cinema screen and on home tv - there is just no comparison. Also, in a high street bookie there is no interruption unlike at home eg door bell/telephone could sound; someone knocking on the door; distraction from family; etc. The number of fobt/bookies in a high street is clear indication how reliant bookies are to fobt for revenue/profit generation; the proliferation of fobt is a direct correlation to an increase in problem gamblers. In a nut shell, it is a major mistake allowing this evil fobt any where on the high street, and they must be culled! |
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well why don't you list all the people you see using them in a normal fashion,do you stand there 10 hrs a day on fobt patrol,or are you passing on storys you,ve heard, you ,d think by now the media would be in every bookies taking pics of 1000,s upon 1000,s of problem players and splashing them across the front page,wonder why not,its the same bits of footage on every report
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Can someone please answer Cardendens question please:When is the outcome expected?
Sorry I'm also intrigued to no when my local Billies will close! Don't want to be walking all the way for nowt, laden with my ill gotten gains to feed the cash cows! |
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its laughable to think that fobt,s have brought on more so called problem gamblers than online betting sites,bingo sites,casino sites, if people want anecdotal evidence I don't no one fobt problem gambler but no plenty of racing,sports,online,casino,poker,bingo problem gamblers
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I appreciate that there is another side to this story but I still find it really surprising how the same people will always appear to defend them and so enthusiastically too.
You can only admire their persistence...quite remarkable...these guardians of liberty. |
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good few posts on here strange to see not one mentioning money laundering,which on anbother thread a few months back was given as one of the main reasons to cut the stake
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Well I'm the opposite to you then 1st time poster
I don't know them but I see no end of them day in day out Ladies yesterday  Bet a tenner on the Man City match get a £2 free go on the fobt  Scumbags |
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they defend them the same way as they defend people to lose therte money on horses,sports betting,drink themselves to death,smoke themselves to death, etc,etc, like I say lets all get behind it and have maximum stakes for all betting if your that worried about problem gamblers
a grand bet on a horse thats already fallen or a grand in a fobt,no which one i,d take |
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if neither is the 3rd option would you rethink your answer?
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Do pubs give free drinks to kids to get them hooked . . . .err no
Do tobacconist give free f a g s away to get people hooked on them . . . Errrr no Do high street fagins give free stuff away them get them hooked , , , damn right they do |
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I sincerely hope no one still unfamiliar with the destructive ramifications of the effects of playing fobt ever has to witness at 1st hand a fobt addict. If anyone with friends or acquaintances of health professionals eg doctors/psychologist/psychiatrist/nurses, legal representatives, social and welfare workers or religious establishment ask any one of these if they have a story to relate.
If so, come back here and post accordingly and truthfully. |
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TheBaron 05 Mar 18 18:21
I appreciate that there is another side to this story but I still find it really surprising how the same people will always appear to defend them and so enthusiastically too. You can only admire their persistence...quite remarkable...these guardians of liberty. I don't see any poster "defending them" as you put it. But I do admire your social conscience. |
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1st time poster your like the nra in america trotting out cliche ridden statements like people kill people not guns etc etc .the fact is the availability of the crack machines is what makes them so dangerous.like buying guns over in usa. you can walk down the street,decide on impulse to play one as you seen the thing in through the window.20 seconds later you are down 100 quid. these crack machines prey on human weakness.
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I,m not defending them never used one, I,m laughing at people ,losing 10,s of 1000,s of pounds on horses already beaten ,fallen[people with fast pics taking unsuspecting punters to the cleaners ,pretending theiur worried about peole doing their nuts on fotb,s,when in reality they are just using them as an excuse to have a pop at [ think the last phrase rancid bookmakers ],
who,s more rancid bookmakers or people on here with fast pics laying fallen,injured horses ante post etc,etc, |
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thats a different issue.were talking about crack machines not races? its a different subject.
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bookmakers are fine,high street betting shops are rancid and would get their just deserts if the government ever had the balls to implement a tote monopoly off course and limit fobt's to £2 and the people who lay fallers do sometimes get their just rewards admittiedly not enough
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Rest of my post disappeared.
Basically said its embarrassing reading this as a reason to get rid of FOBTs, online and mobile slots/casino games are by a distance the most accessible form of crack gambling there is, I could lie in bed all day gambling if I wanted to with no staff oversight, no stake limits, no deposit limits etc. Surely nobody on Betfair of all sites truly believes that FOBTS being accessible is the cause of people being addicted? Theres a ton of good reasons to get rid of them but that isnt one of them, its actually so bad I feel like it discredits the whole debate. If theyre going to do the stakes on FOBTs down to £2 then they have to do it with every online operator in the UK aswell |
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Also this part is the important part of your post kavvie
"decide on impulse to play one" I get 20 emails a day from online sites and about 10 texts a week asking me to come play some ****, I don't because I'm not a gambling junkie, its got nothing to do with accessibility. In the past year I mustve staked about 10k and I've been to a local betting shop to place 3 bets The addicted will go anywhere to find a bet, taking away one outlet does nothing, saw it first hand when I worked in the shops myself. Self excluded customers would just go get tied up in online poker or casinos |
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its possible that making fobt's £2 which would make winnings smaller might stop some people getting addicted or becoming problem gamblers,these machines used to be fun machines in pubs and chip shops before the stakes were allowed to go up
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good point Gazo==it's not about people who are already addicted it's about stopping the next generation
becoming addicted in such high numbers. |
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virtual racing,yes ,just a glorified machine which really means they found away to have more machines in each shop
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I thought we were debating about fobt in high street betting shops and its proven addictiveness and negative consequences to users and society. If so, please stick to it, others can wait for another appropriate moment.
How does one avoid an addiction? Firstly, do not be in close proximity/contact to an agent that carries the addiction eg in the case of fobt, still clear of the premises housing them ie high street betting shops; if these shops were not in existence the source of addiction is history. If this is not possible/available the next best alternative would be to curtail/minimise its power to addict eg ban any advertisement, reduce it attractiveness eg a stake reduction, reduce its numbers, etc; Human beings will succumb to any form of addiction if exposed to an easily available source of addiction for a period of time; the rewards are immediate and tangible; an ideal environment; if boredom sets in; etc. Any human being will succumb to an addiction, the only differences are when, and to what degree. |
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always wondered why supermarkets were stacked floor to ceiling with alcohol, advertised all round the shop by 2 get 0ne free etc,who,d have thought by stopping it alcoholics would be saved from themselves
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"How does one avoid an addiction? Firstly, do not be in close proximity/contact to an agent that carries the addiction"
Also take mobile phones from everyone in the UK because stupid people do stupid things? Accessibility is not an argument, spent 8 years working for Hills within feet of FOBT's, addicts will move from one product to another. Virtual greyhound racing will be the new crack cocaine of gambling. Mobile casino will be the new crack cocaine of gambling. There will ALWAYS be a crack cocaine of gambling because there will always be lost and desperate people |
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You two seem to be making the same point and just repeating the same
thing over and over again. |