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Hell of an FOBT 'discussion'/phone in on Radio 5Live, now
Hell of an FOBT 'discussion'/phone in on Radio 5Live, now
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They need to be be banned but at least a max £1 or £2 stake to transform them to pub machines.
These machines are causing suicides ffs. |
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The modus operandi of FOBTs is to create an addiction in those who understand gambling the least.
Most of us would rather pss on them than play them but only because we understand you have zero chance of winning long term. Housewives walking in dont have a clue about this and are who these machines are aimed at, inexperienced gamblers being shown shiney lights. |
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Well it makes a change from your brexit crusade eric.
Hows that going on these days? |
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if the bookmakers were stopping certain people from using the fobt's because of how much they were losing they would have adverts everywhere showing this,the managers and staff at the bookmakers could tell you the truth but rightly dont want to lose their jobs so keep quiet.
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sparrow.
In the last 20 years home ownership by 25-34 yo's has dropped from two thirds (65%) to a quarter (27%). Has the EU been a good thing for young people with their zero hour contracts and no job security? I am in the 52% majority on Brexit how about you? |
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holding up the crack cocaine of the 1,01 backers and layers as the virtue of the betting world is beyond parody
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Doubt you could hope for this kind of return for £11 on them £21,071 , that's for 4 winners 20/1 10/1 8/1 6/1 and I'm sure it'll happen a few times at Cheltenham . That's what scares them, huge wins for small money, I seldom if ever do Yankees myself except the odd one at Aintree or Cheltenham but loads do.
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The rich have got richer and the UK now has the highest number of billionaire's per head in the world with our lax corporation tax laws for the rich in charge of the multinationals and the banks the EU love so much.
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I agree Jeremy.....
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what would sed radio presenter, do gooders etc say if someone opened up the delights of betfair to the public where 1000,s are lost on horses already beaten, out of the race, dead in their box etc,they,d think the bloke doing a few quiod on a fobt was the most sensible person in the room,and as the number one rule of gambling is if you cant win you shouldn't be able to lose,they,d want betfair shutdown in days, but hey because people have to make an effort to join, their far more savy than a fobt player
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Sensible policies to implement.
* Every bookmaker should undertake a KYC before they bet * Should ban the ability to deposit money from a Credit Card * Additional online control facility to limit bet stakes on a single event (this would prevent chasing if for example had set your limit to £10 per event for example) Perhaps more controversal should be provide P60 details as part of KYC and limit annual losses for a customer to certain percentage of salary |
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Perhaps more controversal should be provide P60 details as part of KYC and limit annual losses for a customer to certain percentage of salary
 Pro punters finnished. |
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I have always found it difficult to believe online betting companies are allowed to accept credit cards. As there is a charge for this anybody who is sane and has the money is going to use a debit card surely.
As for limits bf set me one when I joined 11 years ago and I have only once been tempted to ask for it to be lifted ( I think it was when you could lay England at around 20s to score 500 to beat Australia to in a Test.) |
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It is true there have always been problem gamblers however fobts seem to have turned a lot of recreational gamblers into addicts and for anyone to defend them beggars belief.
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people arnt defending them but defending peoples choice to use them or not, you shouldn't be able to gamble 50 quid spins on a fobt according to people on here but the same people happy to take 1000,s of people on horses that have already fallen or injured in boxes at home, now that does beggar belief
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injured in boxes at home ?
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2 wrongs dont make a right
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injured in boxes at home mullins,hendo,elliot etc
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injured in boxes at home mullins,hendo,elliot etc
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injured in boxes at home mullins,hendo,elliot etc
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should a large company be seen to make money out of people weaknesses.the tobacco and brewing industry have been doing it for decades.however the guy from william hill was very badly prepared and thought he was on air to plead his case re redundancies and shop closures and was exposed as a representative of a company who really are only interested in profit at virtually any cost.as for putting shop staff in the firing line to judge whether a punter is wealthy or stable enough to lose copious amounts of money is farcical.i think fobts are morally reprehensible and should be banned.
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The Hills spokesman was ill prepared, unconvincing and out of his depth. One of the supposed responsible gambling actions - approaching the gambler showing signs of distress etc is laughable. How on earth is a single shop operative supposed to that?
There will be more on this issue. Nolan was surprised it seems to learn that shop staff were incentivised to promote FOBTs. He made the connection between the conflict of interest between promoting and protecting however the Hills media bloke had gone by then. I’m sure Nolan will return to the matter. He tends to be like a dog with a bone when he finds an issue to explore. |
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you have to be a Tommy Tanker to work for said firm
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Fobts:
1) machine designed to penetrate the pathway of your brain that creates/induces addiction - what other sport does that? 2) £100 a spin every "20" secs - even legal qc do not earn that per 20sec 3) repetitive and subliminal - what other sport does that? 4) immediate gratification (payout) in a bookie, but a 3 day wait for a withdrawal (online) - a scratchcard at a £100 a go 5) perception of a big payout despite the winning odds - much less than the average winning sport eg horses/greyhound/footie A credit card could be used to maximise return/minimise risk in order to guarantee a return regardless of eventual result eg hedging at the Exchange for a £500 at 12/1 (antepost), horse starting at evens on the day; a bank manager is unlikely to agree to that for a betting purpose. |
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you shouldn't believe all you read ,if fobt,s penetrate your brain inducing you to addiction then surely all fruit machines are wired up the same,so they should all be banned or are you saying its alright inducing people to lose as l0ng as its in small amounts, I,d say the lights ,music penetrating your brain argument , is a load of shoite,when people start inventing spurious reasons to win an argument,they tend to lose it
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if you believe the penetrating your brain shoite, why do 99,9% of people use the machines responsibly,are they immune to the dark evils of the lights , you,d think anyone clever enough to achieve this would do it to snare in 99.9% of users not 0,1 % of users, just a thought
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1st time poster you are talking bollocks if you think 99.9% use the machines in the shops responsibly.
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you shouldn't believe all you read
Yet you then quote a load of nonsense that I guess you have read? 99.9% of people use the machines responsibly??? Would love to know where that stat came from? |
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If in doubt about the addictiveness of fobt please ask/listen to the players affected and professionals helping them eg doctors/psychologists/lawyers/councillors, etc; it is proven that fobt is extremely addictive without a shadow of a doubt. If not, why are there no bookie pr people out in droves to publicly defend them? It is not a perception as hinted by Mr Nick Rust.
Fobt is an electronic scratch card with music and bells at £100 per card every 20 secs; one can buy/deposit £1000 at a time (debit/credit card/cash), if necessary, to play fobt without any hindrance/obstruction from betting shop staff; if anything one would be lauded and treated like a vip. What is the max stake and payout of a fruit machine? What licence required and operators can house them? How many per premises? Maybe the bookies may consider housing fruit machines instead by procuring the necessary operator licence. And this will maintain and/or alleviate any reduction in revenue/profit for the future. A solution found, problem sorted (qed)! |
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if lights ,music are made to be addictive it stands to reason that machines in arcades,pubs, casino,s are manufactured the same way are you happy young kids in arcades are been incentived ,brainwashed into losing thier pocket money, are you advocating all fruit machines be banned,at least it would be consistent
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you dont half talk a lot of sh1te
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He is a troll.
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No, I'm not advocating a complete ban but a reduction in max stake to £2 on any machine similarly fruit machines if its max stake is £100 a go.
Fobt eventually ought to be repositioned away from the high street and not housed in high street bookies where the footfall is at its maximum. |
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are you saying that if someone can manufacture a machine who,s lights and music can incentive .get people addicted all fruit machines wouldnt be the same,thats their purpose to take money off people,you seem happy for everyone else outside a bookies using a machine to be brainwashed into using one, in some fantasy island nevert land where if fotb,s are limited it will be good for horse racing punters
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I presume these shops have a bookmaking license and not a casino license so until they apply and obtain a casino license they should not be allowed have FOBT's in their shops, well that's my opinion anyway.
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1st time poster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF5SzIN63w8 i think the last minute of this video explains it all ( it's only a 3:30 long video btw ) |
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99.9% of people use the machines responsibly??? Would love to know where that stat came from?
No reply where that stat came from?? |
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I'm not advocating post a reduction of the max fobt limit "it will be good for horse racing punters" - to borrow a quote from you.
But what I've been suggesting is maybe, post a reduction in fobt max, bookies could look for other avenues to replace the anticipated reduction in revenue/profit in the future eg the bookies could take more sporting bets; reduce the head count of senior high salaried staff eg Andy Norman/Simon Clare; a reduction in sponsorship of horse racing (if necessary). But horse racing (only a game) and/or any other sport must not be shored up by the ill-gotten gains from fobt. Fobt is extremely addictive, and is an unnecessary evil and should be monitored closely under the strictest terms and condition in the high street; its addictiveness has been solely responsible for the bookies £1.5bn revenue per annum; its addictiveness and revenue/profit generation are also solely responsible for their proliferation and existence of the majority of high street bookies. Bookies produce nothing tangible eg they do not provide a service (socially) unlike the old days where punters would go in for a chat, socialise with their mates and to keep warm; they do not manufacture a product either. The present high street bookie is a house for the fobt, and because of that they are a blight on the house street and a bane to society. |
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Define "responsibly"? The Dictionary/Consensus or the bookies version eg bookies: income £30k, expenditure/loss £150k.
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