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Blackbarn
I was mistaken thanks for your help ps did pat ride it and was it the gimcrack have a nice evening regards Ronnie. |
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Ged - Re Traitors Gate, do you have a date for that Lewes win? Even I might have been their if it was Sussex fortnight
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Monday May 28, 1962. Breasley rode 3 winners.
Winners... Loni - Breasley Traitors Gate - Gosling Foolhardy - Breasley Set Tradition - Lindley Canadair - J Wilson Margo's Pal - Breasley |
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Ronnie it was indeed the 84 Gimcrack, was ridden by the very capable somewhat maligned by some Tony Murray, that day they beat Bassenthwaite by a neck
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It looks to me like he had a spell off the track for a couple of years, and when he returned, he was trained by Gosling, who won a few races with him as a 9, 10 and 11 yo, including one (a non-seller) at Newbury at 25/1 ridden by Tommy Carter. Before that, he was with Ashworth, but I don't have the complete picture.
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Tony Murray rode Traitors Gate to what was probably his final win on June 12, 1968 at Yarmouth. (11/4 fav)
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Cork langer
thank you 33 years ago I must be getting old have a good evening regards Ronnie. |
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...and to answer workrider's post, at long last....
Traitors Gate won the 7.10 at Brighton on Monday June 16, 1966 (the day before Royal Ascot), at 11/2, ridden by Duncan Keith. It was a mile seller, and he beat 100/7 Bridal Veil, ridden by Roy Dingwall, and 100/30 Venture Boy, ridden by L Piggott, who had been beaten on a 10/11 in the opener, but otherwise didn't make the frame at the meeting. Ron Hutchinson rode 3 winners; Breasley rode 2 winners and 2 seconds. Bill Williamson was also there. Not a bad array of jockeys for a Monday night. |
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Ged, I'm nearly sure its sp was 11/2 maybe I'm wrong, the date I had was around 67/68 and a midweek meeting.
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remember standing in a dangerously full betting shop on the outskirts of southampton cheering on bill wightmans " flying nelly "
winning the cambridgeshire, bill trained at lower upham about 10 miles outside southampton, just found out she was the dam of " further flight " !! marvelous thing is google.  |
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Yes i think that is the one Ribero .A pal gave me a tip for Southwark Star in Lincoln(76?) ,had 50p ew, not backed Lincoln winner since! A couple more old favs, Idiots Delight, Lottogift, and Kas, think latter won Phillip Cornes Golden Hurdle Final under Kevin Gray, was working for Ronnies firm at time and delighted to say they got hit pretty hard locally.
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i remember having the flu when i was about 18 and got my 16 year old brother to go round to Bloxhams in east london, to back Von Trappe ew at 28/1 for the coral hurdle final at chelt ( i think), he wouldn't go in case they asked his age, i eventually said id have £6 ew instead of £5 ew, and he could have the extra £1 ew if he tried,
he tried and got on, and it won... happy memories.. |
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Nice to see a mention of Heighlin, a long price winner of the Triumph before reaching group class on the flat. Sad to read that Collier Bay has died at 27.
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Flying Wild
Larbawn Tarquogan Owl Fair Astronomer Grey Of Falloden Brig would know the last named very well I guess. |
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one of my first good winners was Knotty Pine in the Ebor..i was a student so must have been early 70s. backed him at 8/1 for 20 quid so big win when on a £300 Grant a year. think it won in a 4 horse photo..great memories
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From my short trousered days
Rondetto. No more to be said. A legend. From my University Days- Bronowski (a flat horse, 1981, no idea who trained it. Lost most of my termly grant on him). From my fledgling jumps betting days- Aardwolf (trained by Charlie Brooks: once saw him in a match at Bangor; I think the other horse fell really early, but he still beat the course record by 3 seconds- could have been anything, but sadly didn't train on). In my middle years- Suny Bay (probably my fav horse of all time) and Nick Dundee (the Gold Cup winner that never was, but should have been. The old chestnut about how far he would have beaten Looks Like Trouble in that RSA chase is always there, but he was cantering all over the next year's GC winner like nothing I've ever seen. But you have to jump them, and he didn't). Oh- and Monsignor. My first ever 100-1 winner (ante post). He's apparently looking good on the gallops and might be OK for a run at Wincanton on Boxing Day :-) In my older years- Moscow Flyer. The finest chaser I've ever seen in the flesh. Don't think I'll ever experience a thrill like the 2004 Tingle Creek, despite not having a bet in the race. Without doubt the best race I've ever seen. Ever. |
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Cymro, I am probably as biased as you are in the opposite direction as Looks Like Trouble was one of my all time favourites. Rather than making an assumption about what would have happened a long way from home have a look at how many times Nick Dundee actually won at even three miles and what distance he was running over when they tried to bring him back. He was a non-stayer who would now be a Ryanair horse. I doubt whether he would have got within ten lengths of Looks Like Trouble. Many horses can go from cantering to nothing in a few strides at Cheltenham. The horse I mentioned earlier in this thread was one of them. Had he stayed sound I think Looks Like Trouble would have won three Gold Cups. He was the perfect horse for that race because he jumped and stayed.
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Greatest Race in My history NH , can only be Red Rum v Crisp ,what an unbelievable performance by Crisp
 The weight he was giving away and the Then Circuit  He beat Rummy easily at Doncaster the Following year would Imagine the Weights were a Little different |
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Rondetto. Ridden in most of his races by John Haine who I knew since childhood. He was always convinced that he would have won the Foinavon National but he was one of the first to be unseated when the loose horse ran across the whole field.
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That loose horse was approprately named Popham Down.
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Popham Down on which Johnnie Haine won the Scottish National at Bogside in 1964! Just looked it up and was surprised to see that it was trained by Fulke Walwyn who Johnnie didn't ride for much. Another Grand National and Scottish National winner that sticks in my mind is Little Polveir. I owned a share in a horse called James Hunt with Jim Old way back in the day and after winning 3 novice chases we turned up at Chepstow confident of making it 4 despite having a large winners penalty. One of our opponents was a maiden called Little Polveir with a string of zeros and letters in its form and at a very long price. It proceeded to make all and beat us 25 lengths. The rest as they say is history.
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My fav race of all time is the 1981 Whitbread won by Diamond edge, a great race
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I could go further back but mid 80s I backed Ezzoud (spelling) at 40s to win a big race at York. (Stoute and Swinburn) (would it have been the Dante?) Maybe not when I think about it but someone will know. Anyways I did an EW at 40s and stuck in Cumbrian Waltzer in the sprint the same day at 7s or 8s for an EW double. Ezzoud won at 28s IIRC and I'm waiting for Cumbrian Waltzer for the biggest pick up in my life at the time.
Finished down the field trained by you know who... |
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** Ridden by M.Birch.
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York 17 Aug 1993 Juddmonte International Stakes Class A (Group 1) (Class 1) (3yo+) (1m2f85yds) 1m2½f OMS Good To Soft 1st £156,935 2nd £57,665 3rd £27,332.50 4th £10,787.50 5th £3,893.75 Pedigrees Comments Result Analysis My Ratings POS. (DRAW) HORSE / SP TRAINER / JOCKEY AGE WGT OR TS RPR MR 1 (3) Runner Jacket 0. Ezzoud (IRE) 28/1 W R Swinburn Sir Michael Stoute 4 96 v – 103 121 – Held up in midfield, ridden 3f out, switched 2f out, stayed on strongly under pressure to catch leader well inside final furlong 2 (4) 1½ Runner Jacket 0. Sabrehill (USA) 7/4F M Roberts Sir Henry Cecil 3 812 – 101 119 – Tracked leaders, going well, led on bit 2f out, soon quickened clear, headed and no extra well inside final furlong 3 (8) 5 [6½] Runner Jacket 0. Spartan Shareef (IRE) 50/1 Ray Cochrane Clive Brittain 4 96 – 93 112 – Always prominent, ridden along 3f out, kept on same pace final 2f 4 (10) 1½ [8] Runner Jacket 0. Revelation (IRE) 9/1 A Cruz Richard Hannon Snr 3 812 – 91 110 – Always prominent, ridden over 3f out, hung left 2f out, stayed on inside final furlong 5 (5) 2 [10] Runner Jacket 0. White Muzzle 2/1 John Reid Peter Chapple-Hyam 3 812 – 88 108 – Always prominent, led over 4f out, ridden and headed 2f out, gradually weakened 6 (7) 1½ [11½] Runner Jacket 0. Blues Traveller (IRE) 15/1 Mick Kinane B W Hills 3 812 – 86 106 – Led until headed over 4f out, weakened under pressure 2f out 7 (2) nk [11¾] Runner Jacket 0. Tenby 15/2 Pat Eddery Sir Henry Cecil 3 812 – 85 106 – Held up behind, effort on outside 3 1/2f out, edged left and no impression final 2f 8 (1) 2 [13¾] Runner Jacket 0. Guado D'Annibale (IRE) 66/1 Darryll Holland A Renzoni 4 96 – 82 104 – Behind, effort 4f out, no impression, beaten over 2f out 9 (9) 5 [18¾] Runner Jacket 0. Environment Friend 28/1 George Duffield N C Wright 5 96 v1 – 75 – – Held up in rear, hampered over 6f out, soon driven along, no impression final 3f 10 (6) 15 [33¾] Runner Jacket 0. Alhijaz 20/1 W Carson John Dunlop 4 96 – 51 – – Held up, behind and effort on outside over 3f out, soon beaten 11 (11) 8 [41¾] Runner Jacket 0. Red Bishop (USA) 14/1 Frankie Dettori John Gosden 5 96 – 38 – – Held up in rear, ridden and some headway on outside 3 1/2f out, soon beaten and eased 11 ran Winning time: 2m 12.16s (slow by 3.16s) Total SP: 120% 1st owner: Maktoum Al Maktoum (Ezzoud) 1st breeder: T J Monaghan 2nd owner: Sheikh Mohammed (Sabrehill) 3rd owner: C T Olley (Spartan Shareef) DBI (SP%): L [Stalls 1-4] 69 (44%) M [5-7] 39 (38%) H [8-11] 42 (18%) Now I'm trying to figure out how I'm a few years out... |
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York 17 Aug 1993 Eagle Lane Handicap Class C (Class 3) (0-100, 3yo+) 6f Good To Soft 1st £12,622.50 2nd £3,780 3rd £1,815 4th £832.50 Pedigrees Comments Result Analysis My Ratings POS. (DRAW) HORSE / SP TRAINER / JOCKEY AGE WGT OR TS RPR MR 1 (6) Runner Jacket 0. How's Yer Father 8/1J Alan Munro Ron Hodges 7 811 79 70 85 – Always prominent, ridden to lead inside final furlong, ran on well, readily 2 (8) 2 Runner Jacket 0. Diet 25/1 J Marshall5 Linda Perratt 7 710 v 69 50 70 – Led, clear 2f out, headed and no extra inside final furlong 3 (14) shd [2] Runner Jacket 0. Margaret's Gift 25/1 John Carroll J Berry 3 90 86 72 87 – Good speed in centre throughout, ridden 2f out, kept on well towards finish 4 (21) hd [2¼] Runner Jacket 0. Peerage Prince 25/1 N Kennedy3 Pat Mitchell 4 710 b 67 49 68 – Ridden along halfway, headway under pressure 1 1/2f out, stayed on strongly towards finish 5 (10) ½ [2¾] Runner Jacket 0. Duplicity (IRE) 20/1 John Reid L J Holt 5 100 96 80 96 – Headway under pressure 2f out, stayed on well inside final furlong 6 (3) nk [3] Runner Jacket 0. Nordan Raider 8/1J Joe Fanning M J Camacho 5 713 67 50 67 – Always in touch, effort and headway to chase leaders 1 1/2f out, unable to quicken inside final furlong 7 (1) nk [3½] Runner Jacket 0. Dominuet 14/1 Kevin Darley John Spearing 8 913 95 77 95 – Mid-division, effort over 2f out, stayed on one pace inside final furlong 8 (9) hd [3½] Runner Jacket 0. Sagebrush Roller 20/1 George Duffield J W Watts 5 90 82 64 82 – Headway over 2f out, stayed on well inside final furlong , nearest finish 9 (12) ¾ [4¼] Runner Jacket 0. Macs Maharanee 20/1 D Wright5 P S Felgate 6 810 83 58 82 – Behind, headway halfway, kept on well final furlong 10 (23) 2½ [6¾] Runner Jacket 0. Master Planner 16/1 J D Smith7 C A Cyzer 4 91 90 57 – – Chased leaders, ridden along well over 2f out, no extra approaching final furlong 11 (22) 2½ [9¼] Runner Jacket 0. Cumbrian Waltzer 14/1 M Birch M H Easterby 8 96 88 55 – – Switched left start and held up, some headway over 2f out, never reached leaders 12 (5) shd [9½] Runner Jacket 0. Gilt Throne 12/1 Philip Robinson Mark H Tompkins 6 89 77 44 – – Chased leaders until ridden and weakened over 1f out 13 (7) shd [9½] Runner Jacket 0. Southern Memories (IRE) 16/1 A Cruz Richard Hannon Snr 3 89 b 81 48 – – Chased leaders 4f, soon lost place 14 (2) ¾ [10¼] Runner Jacket 0. Densben 16/1 Kieren Fallon Denys Smith 9 813 81 46 – – In touch early, soon pushed along, no impression final 2f 15 (16) hd [10½] Runner Jacket 0. Macfarlane 10/1 W Carson M J Fetherston-Godley 5 86 74 38 – – Headway halfway, soon chasing leaders in centre, slightly hampered 2f out, weakened over 1f out 16 (13) 1½ [12] Runner Jacket 0. Bertie Wooster 20/1 Frankie Dettori Pat Murphy 10 88 76 37 – – In touch until ridden and weakened well over 1f out 17 (4) shd [12] Runner Jacket 0. The Auction Bidder 40/1 S Perks Reg Hollinshead 6 89 77 37 – – Behind, effort and some headway 2 1/2f out, soon weakened 18 (19) 2 [14] Runner Jacket 0. So Intrepid (IRE) 12/1 W R Swinburn P W Harris 3 812 84 39 – – Driven along and outpaced before halfway, soon beaten 19 (17) 1½ [15½] Runner Jacket 0. Sir Joey (USA) 20/1 J Williams Pat Murphy 4 87 75 26 – – Soon behind and pushed along, beaten over 2f out 20 (18) 1½ [17] Runner Jacket 0. White Shadow (IRE) 12/1 Pat Eddery Roger Charlton 3 94 90 40 – – Effort under pressure in midfield when hampered over 2f out, soon behind and eased 21 (20) ½ [17½] Runner Jacket 0. Petite-D-Argent 12/1 T Quinn J Berry 4 94 86 35 – – Raced stands side, good speed until hung badly left from halfway, not recover 22 (11) [17½] Runner Jacket 0. Another Lane 33/1 Jimmy Quinn J Wharton 6 82 70 18 – – Chased leaders centre, hampered over 2f out, soon behind 23 (15) [17½] Runner Jacket 0. Panikin 50/1 S D Williams3 J Wharton 5 92 87 31 – – Soon ridden along, outpaced final 2f 23 ran Winning time: 1m 13.09s (slow by 3.29s) Total SP: 136% 1st owner: Unity Farm Holiday Centre Ltd (How's Yer Father) 1st breeder: Lord Edwin McAlpine 2nd owner: Mrs M S J Clydesdale (Diet) 3rd owner: Mrs T G Holdcroft (Margaret's Gift) DBI (SP%): L [Stalls 1-8] 69 (40%) M [9-15] 49 (21%) H [16-23] 32 (39%) Got the price wrong there but knew it was the same day. |
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first racehorse i was aware of was called operatic society,my dad used to back it every time it ran & remember my mum complaining once when he was late meeting us for the cinema because hed gone somewhere to get a bet on it.the horse was a brighton specialist they have a race in the summer named after him,won 30 races all told including the 1959 november hcap when he won the 49 runner race despite unseating the rider & bolting for a mile before the race.
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Stalbridge Colonist
Summat abt a grey A la Dessie Class hurdlers - Bula, Lanzarote, Night Nurse, Sea Pigeon Taking on the Irish invasion of Cof E & Monks Red Rum - the summit |
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madhatters
class hurdlers this horse would have been up with them GOLDEN CYGNET have a good evening regards Ronnie. |
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fouraces 11 Dec 17 08:23 Joined: 27 Oct 07 | Topic/replies: 1,337 | Blogger: fouraces's blog
First horse I really remember from my childhood was a horse called Pentland Javelin trained by Reg Hollinshead. Had a £1 on it when it won at 20-1. Come to think of it that was my last winner. Was that the horse who won a 2yo maiden at Newmarket at 33/1? It's a race which has always stuck in my mind, in that it was the first time I realized how important racecourse experience is for a horse - Pentland Javelin (if it was indeed that particular R Hollinshead juvenile) was the only horse in the race with a previous run, its form figure being 0. |
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Pentland Javelin who won at Newmarket on its second appearance was 2nd first time out. Not sure where, we would need ged or onlooker for that detail
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edredon blue thats one of my favourite old time horses, 47 runs over the fences and 24 wins
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The 1st horses i was aware of was around the late 60s(only 11 or 12 @ the time)and for some reason where all David Mould/Peter Cazalet from memory dont know why.
But allways stuck in me head Escalus/Black Magic and Different Class |
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Thanks, Blackbarn. Evidently it didn't stick in my mind well enough to remember what it had actually done first time out.
Maybe there was another Hollinshead 2yo named after a potato which won a Newmarket 2yo maiden at 33s? Unlikely though. As one current pundit used to say back then: all trainers with the initials RH are the same - about 300 horses in training and three winners a season (he was thinking of the likes of R Hollinshead, R Hodges and, at that time, R Hannon). |
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^^
Pentland Javelin won at 20/1 (though there was a 20p rule 4) in an 8-runner field at Newmarket, with a '2' against his name. All the others were debutants, one being The Noble Player, who went on to run 2nd in both the Chesham and Washington Singer at 2, won the Heron Stakes at 3, before being shipped to the US and running well in some decent 8/9 furlong handicaps at 4 and 5 for John Gosden, who was then training in California. Pentland Javelin had been 2nd in the 2nd 2yo race of the season at Doncaster (the Grey Friars; Brondesbury had won the Brocklesby). The reason he went off at 20s at Newmarket was that the intended 5-runner Grey Friars had been reduced to 3 runners, and Pentland was beaten 3 lengths by the outsider of the remaining 3, a 12/1 shot; the fav had been W/D, so presumably the form was considered next-to-worthless, but, he'd had a race. The Javelin then got beat a few times, before winning again at 20/1 (outsider of 6), this time in the Strathclyde Stakes at Ayr in July, so he was keeping decent northern 2yo company. He then blew out a couple of times before winning a Redcar nursery in late Sept off 2nd top weight at 12/1. |
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Dr Crippen
10 Dec 17 17:35 Supermaster I certainly remember this one, a prolific winner, but my best recollection is he was one leg of a winning 'Canadian' bet that resulted in a good payout. If memory serves me well, Titus Oates was amongst the 5 winners. I guess it was in the early 70's. |
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I always used to look forward to the Brocklesbury and I have memories of a horse called Spring Cabbage winning at 100/8.
I wonder if my memory is accurate... I am also trying to think of the name of the Ebor winner which I backed in the betting shop when I was about 15. I hadn't got the bottle to tell my dad I'd had a bet and certainly hadn't got the bottle to draw. I can't remember what happened. Happy Days!  |
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mini me - If Spring Cabbage won the Brocklesbury it would have been in 1963. I do not have a record of that win but ged or onlooker will. Whatever he turned into a really good sprinter for Harry Blackshaw (Orange, Brown braid!). Seasons 66 to 68 he ran 39 times, winning 9 and being placed in 12, acquiring the Timeform epithet - "a really honest and hardy individual". He raced on until he was 12, or maybe 13.
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Spring Cabbage made his debut in the first race of the 1963 Grand national meeting at Liverpool, the Croxtexth Plate (worth £306 to the winner) for 2yos. He was unplaced, and trained at that time by Joe Hartigan. The 2nd race on the card was the first running of the Schweppes Gold Trophy (worth £7,825 2s 6d to the winner; £200 less if ridden by an amateur - which it wasn't, because it was won by the perfectly-plotted-up Rosyth, the highest-rated of the 13 on bottom weight of 10-0 - there were 41 runners, top weight 12-7).
Spring Cabbage (well named, being by March Past out of Ma Chou ('chou' is French for cabbage)) was still going at the age of 13, usually running in sellers, and trained for most of his career by Harry Blackshaw. |
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*I meant usually running in sellers when he was 13. He was better earlier in his life, as you would expect.
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