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re coded scrap I remember it well, it was owned by a Durham scrap merchant Charlie Newton junior and it was trained by Fairhurst, if you ever watch the film get carter Charlie owned the house it was set in, don't know if Charlie is still about but I sometimes see his wagons kicking about. He was always at the races with Jim Tunny who was the chairman at Blyth Spartans, Jim also had a few good horses that ran in green and white colours the same as Blyth Spartans. |
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Lovely bit of info there, ronnie. Thank you!
And ta to blackbarn for Dred Scot "write-up"! |
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My mum's name was Freda. She always asked me to put a couple of bob on Freda's Legacy. (late 60's) Know nothing about it apart from remembering the name.
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Glasgow Central was I think the first winner I backed.
There were horses like Mailman,Russian Winter and Ferryman who I loved and swinging rebel magic. |
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blackbarn
11 Dec 17 20:29 Joined: 02 Jan 05 | Topic/replies: 9,122 | Blogger: blackbarn's blog Dred Scot - A "reformed character in 1977". Ran 15 times, winning eight, four seconds and two thirds. After his seasonal debut (5th) his record looked like this 11122111113223. Timeform called him "a fair handicapper". blackbarn, can I ask where you're getting this info, please? Ta! |
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Hi Ronnie,i remember Charlie Newton,owned Jo Mell a horse I will always remember as it summed up the ups and downs of punting for me.
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Hi Raspberry. I have a big collection of Racing books and memorabilia. The Dred Scot bit came from Timeform's Racehorses of 1977.
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Dred Scott was quite well named. Dred Scott the man was a negro slave, whose famous case in the 1850s, in which he sued for his freedom, was one of the main instigators of the American civil war. Dred Scott the horse was by Tom Rolfe out of Free Model. Tom Rolfe was an american horse out of Pocohontas. Tom Rolfe the man was the only child of Pocohontas, an american native woman.
Dred Scott the horse was originally with Dick Hern, and made his debut as a 2yo on the Greenham card on which Grundy was beaten by Mark Anthony. He also ran in the Glasgow maiden at York, so was presumably quite well thought of for a while at 2. |
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ged - Re Tom Rolfe, owned of course by Raymond Guest - Not many owners win a Derby, a Grand National, a Preakness and an American Derby.
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Not entirely as I'd like to remember any of these but the first time I saw Nureyev he was trussed up in a sling in his barn at Walmac, having broken a leg a few days earlier. Likewise Danzig, who was getting on a bit when I went to see him at Claiborn Farm and he was almost blind in one eye but it didn't stop him charging at me in his paddock. Ferocious temper, often transmitted to his progeny. Wildest of all was St. Jovite who bordered on uncontrollable. His groom at Payson Farm used to have a baseball bat outside the barn to keep the horse 'in check', shall we say.
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*Claiborne
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Saint James Bolger will not be pleased to hear about the baseball bat Mustang.....
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Agreed. I wasn't overly impressed either.
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First winner i ever backed was Saratoga Skiddy i was only about 5, my grandad put a shilling ew i think, other horses i remember from that era, were Seven the quadrant and Blustery'
When i started going racing in my teens, my favs were Derring Rose, i saw him win The Rendlesham ( i think )at Kempton, he was 50-1 and trained by Alan Jarvis, i think he beat John Cherry the odds on fav..AND THE OTHER WAS HEIGHLIN, both a bit tempremental, but classy on there day |
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Saratoga Skiddy won at Goodwood when I was about 19!!! Early seventies, I'll look him up.
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SS 1969 - 2nd in the Lincoln and 3rd in the Ayr Gold Cup. 1970 - won five handicaps including at Goodwood twice. 1971 - Not as good 0 ran 9 times with just one third place. Retired to stud at the end of the season. Stood initially at the Potter Somersal Stud at a fee of 150gns.
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Saratoga skiddy won the first time my Dad took me to York i think,Piggott rode it for Bill Marshall,will have been soft ground i think as i recall it being a very wet day,probably 70 -71?
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Ribero. 1970! - Timeform says of the York win - "very confidently ridden....and beat Lerdet and Singing Scot very easily by 3 lengths and 5 lengths"
Now of course, there is "confidently ridden" and there is "very confidently ridden" and THEN there is Lester's "very confidently ridden". I should like to see that race  . |
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Thank you blackbarn great memories
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Fill me in on Traitors Gate Blackbarn, second winner I ever backed ridden by Duncan Keith at around 11/2 think it might have been 1967/8 ish.
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Must have been one of Nightingale's workrider.
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Muff Diver, all time classic
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Could have been Sparrow not sure though, my first winner was San Angelo over jumps maybe 1963, my Granny told me to back it for her, I put my shilling on as well , what a lot of dosh it was to me as kid, I think it won @11/10 and I was in Heaven...
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We all remember our first winner workrider. Mine was London Cry in 1958 Cambridgeshire at 20/1 and ridden by Scobie Breasley. My dad had taken me to Newmarket and allowed me a shilling bet as I was just 10 years old at the time. I was a big fan of the Nightingale stable in the 60s and had backed his horse I Say to finish 3rd to the great Sea Bird in 1965.
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Traitors Gate was Tommy Gosling, at least at the end of his long career. He was 11 in 1968 and won on his last appearance for that season. He seems to have won one race nearly every season. Any idea of the course for your win Workrider? Was it Yarmouth?
nb - we may well need Ged and/or Onlooker for this one. |
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Thanks very much Blackbarn,i'd been to all the Yorkshire tracks by then but for some reason they'd never taken me to York,my Dad was a massive Piggott fan,fairly sure it was a backend meeting and York was fairly quiet that day.
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Sparrow - London Cry
Scobie and Sir Gordon Richards - what a combo. You should have taken SP Returned 22's |
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I blame my dad for that, blackbarn.
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Sparrow - I blame my Uncle Jack, who got me into this sport aged SIX
 . I wish he was around now. I'd like to take him up to John Gosden and say.....Mr Gosden, this is my Uncle Jack, he knew your dad very well from the Lewes days, and could tell you lots of stories about the old days. I'd like to think he'd be interested |
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Ah but in later years when I was old enough to bet for myself my dad did warn me about Towser Gosden. That would be around 1964 and I soon found out what he meant.
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Traitors Gate made his racecourse debut as a 2yo at Hurst Park on the day Oxo won the Grand National - March 21, 1959. He was 2nd in a field of 42 debutants. He was then trained by Peter Ashworth, and was down in the morning paper to be ridden by G Harper(7), but it looks like they went for a touch, as in the race itself he was ridden by Doug Smith (who would be champion jockey that season for the 5th time in 6 years). He was beaten by a 4/1 shot. Seems people knew the score - 42 newcomers, 4/1 beats a 7/2.
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...looks like he had a tough enough first season, as he was also racing on the last day of the flat season, when he finished 2nd in a 29-runner 7f nursery at Lingfield on Nov 14, ridden by Paul Tulk.
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anybody remember a horse called doulab it got me out of trouble one ebor meeting must have been 30 years ago
sure pat eddery rode it ps there was a very very long stewards enq I think waiting for the result I aged ten years one of the good days at York don't seem to have many there these days. have a nice evening regards Ronnie. |
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He didn't win as a 2yo. His first run as a 3yo was in a mile maiden at Wolverhampton - he was 3rd, ridden by Tommy Gosling, so he would have known something of him when he came to train him.
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^my last post was about Traitors Gate.
I think I was at York when Doulab won. Must have been early 80s. Thomson-Jones/Hamdan I think. |
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Re Paul Tulk - A top apprentice. I think his first major job was as (possibly junior) stable Jockey to the McApine family - about 27 different versions of the said Tartan for their racing colours.
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Doulab - Decent class Hamdan 2yo in the 1984 season. I will post some stuff later.
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blackbarn - I reckon your uncle Jack could have had a crack at Traitors Gate. He won a couple of 5f sprints as a 3yo (including beating Granville Greta at Sandown), but then lost his form as a 4yo, and was running in sellers as a 5yo, and won one at Lewes, where he was bought in for 110 guineas.
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ged it was arab owned I think it was the one who died a good few years ago
thought a scott trained it regards Ronnie. |
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Ronnie if you are talking about Doulab, it was defo Hamdan al Maktoum, not he who died earlier (Maktoum al Maktoum) and as posted by Ged was trained by H T-J
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