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I think he wore pale blinkers. (b/w TV then)
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ged - the good Captain Henry knew a bit about handicaps. 28/1
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Many thanks to ged and blackbarn for putting me right about Pentland Javelin's first run (and his SP at Newmarket). The gist of it seems to have stuck in my head correctly: a bit of experience, however moderate, goes a long way in 2yo races.
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Spring Cabbage won a selling handicap as a 3yo at Doncaster in Sep 1964 (at 10/1), and Harry Blackshaw bought him out of it for 575 guineas, and trained him thereafter. Incidenatlly, Harry had won the Croxteth Plate (with Shantam) in which the Cabbage made his racecourse debut.
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Pentland Javelin sounds like a good name for a speedy 2yo - he was by champion sprinter Solinus, out of a mare by Prince Tenderfoot, who was a very fast 2yo trained by Paddy Prendergast.
In fact, Pentland Javelin is a variety of potato. |
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Anyone remember who trained one called Hilda's Hurricane? Mid to late 70's.
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T A Waugh. I think that Waugh was Alec but there were loads of them. Anyway Hilda was a 2yo in the 1970 season. "Fine big colt" who failed to place in five runnings. Gelded and three wins, two places from 8 runs at three. Five places from 7 runs at four. Went to Steve Morant and ran twice unplaced at five. Is your recollection of him over hurdles/fences?
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^ Stan Ogden
Seriously, though - had to look it up, as it did not spring readilly to mind ... and no wonder with a name like it - but it was ... S imon/Stephen? Morant - Upper Lambourn. Apologies to the wife if it was her horse.  |
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^ blackbarn, even better - I was working my way back from 1978 - when I got 1974 - and the National Hunt trainer.
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Reg Hollinshead used to bet with Laddies on course,used to have pony ew on nearly everything he ran,sometimes upping to 50 and 100 would be his max,happy days.
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I'm afraid as a kid I did the normal trick of following a lot of greys.
Nicolaus Silver was the first. I also remember being ecstatic when the tearaway Richard of Bordeaux made all in the Mackeson ( then run over 2m ). |
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ribero1 - That merely confirms my long-held belief that Reg Hollinshead was just a 'run and hope' merchant.
He must have gone a long-time between lunches. Rather like Mark Johnston, nowadays, you never knew whether one of his was going to run well, or - much more often - run awfully. So - just like Johnston you could never back one of his - nor would you ever want to - But were always wary when you had sorted something else out, and gone for a 'big one' - that along would come one of his his a load of coconuts against it's name, and chin you.  Just hope that we do not have to wait as long as Reg went on for - in order for Johnston to jack it in ... and then there is Reg Mark2 - Milton, aswell. |
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Sula Bula, Earls Brig, Santon Brig, Pawneese, Wollow, Political Pop, Mrs McCardy, Captain Christie, Crisp, Zongalero, Churchtown Boy, Cima, Easter Eel, Fairy Footsteps, Grundy, Willie Wumpkins, Little Owl, Anaglogs Daughter, Little Bay,Twin Oaks, Sabin du Loir, Brondesbury, Provideo, John Cherry, Morgans Choice, Buzzards Bay, W Six Times, Winnie the Witch, Afzaal, Hieronymous, Corporal Clinger
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some as background noise around Grandparents before going to Highfield Rd from being a tiddler, others in my youth when we could go in the bookies at 15/16 and have a 10p yankee or 5 selections in fourfolds and acca for 20p's. Then we had a thing for Quinn/Cole/Salman on hitting 16 years of age from 83, Reach, Magic Ring, Addenbrooke, Salchow and Bonny Scot for the Major. OI Oyston and Boca Raton for Jack Berry. I've been doing this too long. The Hennessy I've always loved from Bachelors something or other, Approaching and winners backed in Burrough Hill Lad and Galway Blaze. Diamond Edge and the finish of all time with Special Cargo and perhaps Lettoch in the Whitbread. Then we get Lean Ar Aghaidh and Guy Landau. I can genuinely remember being excited at a young age watching Grundy/Bustino. I'm glad I've never tried to introduce this game to my children, its had many highs and lows but its a hard hard game.
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Rude not to mention Rogers Princess for the chaps in the Quadrant
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Rude not to mention Rogers Princess for the chaps in the Quadrant
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Indeed onlooker,my favourite Reg horse was Ski's double,it was sort of Sea Pigeon lite,had a very good turn of foot but had to produced late and had if delivered too soon it could think it had done enough,remember the Rossington main in those days at Donny,Jonjo used to ride him but this day was on Cardinal Flower for Andy Scott,Scudamore rode Ski's and sauntered to the front far too early and with Jonjo knowing the horse he kept at Cardinal and chinned it in the last 50 yards,very frustrating,i was hoping it might turn up in the supreme but it ran in a handicap at Haydock with Jonjo back on and absolutely bolted up at a short price and then disappeared,think it came back after an absence and showed very little? might be wrong there though?
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Reg did suddenly burst into form late one season when Remainder Man was a 2yo. Perhaps he had had a problem in the yard and they had been even more out of form than usual, and then came back in - who knows, but Swakara, for one, started winning, and I went to Haydock one afternoon and he had the first 3 on the card - Remainder Man winning his maiden being the middle one. I missed the first one - a very non-descript thing - but backed the next 2. The 3rd one was Nice Value who was winning his 4th race in a row, I think. All a bit unusual for Reg, but he did have his days. The first 2 came up the stand rail, which was something Tony Ives did more than most in those days when the ground was soft, sometimes alone, and often to his benefit.
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sparrow posting re. Towser Gosden in the early 50s he trained my
always favorite horse a handicapper by the name of Tintinabulam, this horse done me numerous favours. ribero do you recall a day at Stockton when I had a £100 e.w with Leslie when you were his floorman a horse named Sandras Secret trained by Richard Whittaker it won by a long way the price was around 20s turned out to be the best sprinter around. Great days earning plenty and playing it up. |
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Despite all that, Hollinshead did train Suluk.
No freezing cold January day of all-weather hurdling at Southwell was complete without Stuart Holder driving Steve Wynne(5) to the course and then betting £1,000 to £200 ON Suluk to canter home in the claiming hurdle, which he always did. Year after year the thing would run up a sequence of half a dozen consecutive wins at long odds on while every other punter on the track was trying to warm up with a cup of tea. The extraordinary thing was that it was an entire too. I don't think anything it went on to sire ever even got placed. |
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Hi Miprix,not sure about Sandras Secret being the best sprinter around? but remember it won a nice few,it was owned by a publican called James Dooler not too far from where my parents lived and he ended up training a few himself for a short time maybe including Sandra's?
There is quite an amusing tale re Sandra's I know of,it was due to run at the backend of the season at Ponty and Piggott was chasing the championship,Dooler told Whittaker he wanted Lester to ride the horse,Whittaker said i'm not asking him (don't really get that?) so Dooler who to put it mildly said was no shrinking violet said no prob i'll ask him,Piggott replied "that will be a monkey" to which Dooler replied i'll do better than that you can have the prize money if it wins.Lester duly got it home at about 15/2 -7/1 ish I think,Dooler backed it and brought the whole family and his own photographer! So everybody happy! although the ironical thing is its the one time Lester may have ridden it for nothing as he was desperate for decent rides as he was going for the champiuonship,but then again maybe not! Good to hear fro you miprix,hope you are well. |
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ribero To tell you the truth I am cheesed off with Hospital appointments.
I must be wrong but I would have had a bet that Sandras Secret either won at Royal Ascot or in France, age catches up with one, keep well and keep winning. |
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Ribero - Sandra's Secret
If Piggott rode it her it would have been one of her wins at 3 in 1980. She failed to win at 2, 4, or 5. At three, she won five races from 16 runs and ended up with a Timeform rating of 88, and in four of her wins she was ridden by Nicky Connorton. She never won at Pontefract, but won twice at Stockton (Miprix's bet!!!) and once each at Doncaster, York and Warwick. |
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She won at Warwick in October 1980 ridden by Piggott - at 7/1 - so that was probably the race. Carson beat Pigoott by 9 that year, so at the time of the race the title would have been a battle between them. Garraton trained her at 4, and Huffer at 5, though that may not be the whole picture.
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James Dooler seemed to find god at some point in his life....
https://www.fgbuk.org/new-life-stories/t/james-dooler/item/2798 |
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That will be it Ged cheers,maybe she ran at Ponty after and that's where I heard the story,Mr dooler was certainly a character.
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Anything on Ski's Double,Ged or Blackbarn?
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Sandra's Secret's hot spell came in June. She broke her maiden at Stockton at 20/1 on the Tuesday (the day before the Derby at Epsom - she'd been unplaced a fortnight earlier in the 9.05 maiden at Ponty under Jock Skilling). She turned out 3 days later at Catterick, and was beaten half a length by spittin Mick's Dutch Girl (with the 3rd 3 lengths back). Then 11 days later, on another Tuesday at Stockton (first day of Ascot) she won again, as 5/1 jt fav. Then she won again at the end of the month at Doncaster.
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As for Ski's Double, you're about right. The report on the Rossington Main said that Cardinal Flower didn't jump the 2nd last too well, so maybe Scu felt he had to go on then and try to win the race. Cardinal won by a head, with the 3rd 10 away. And yes, Ski's then won at Haydock, as a 7yo, and was then off for nearly 2 years. He was entered in the Schweppes as both an 8yo and 9yo, but didn't run, and eventually re-appeared as a 9yo against See You Then in a conditions race at Doncaster. He made little show, and I think that was his only run that season. He had been entered in the Champion Hurdle, but was withdrawn before the 4-day stage (50/1 at the time). 2 years later (then 11yo) he was unplaced in the County Hurdle at 50/1 for Ray Peacock, with form figures of P0/F against his name for that and the previous season, and that was probably his lot.
Reg would seem to have though he had potentialover hurdles from the outset, because his very first run over hurdles was at Haydock as a 4yo in a 4-runner conditions race against Gaye Chance of Rimell's, and Vicomte of Jimmy Fitz's. He was last of 4 at 25/1, and had just one more run that season before giving hurdles a miss for a couple of years. |
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ged re. Sandras Secret and Jock Skilling on the day I had a £100 ew
with Leslie Steele I also had a £100 ew with Ladbrokes, around that time I bought a horse named Kilburn Boy from Jock that won and was placed several times. Happy days. |
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Mix
nice to see you posting regarding the 100ew with lads, who was the rep then, was it Lyall? seems a lifetime ago re hospital visits are you at the Freemans, regards Ronnie |
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Hullo Ronnie Yes Lyall was the rep and I think Brian was clerking.
I am an outpatient at both the Freeman and the R.V.I. Best of luck. |
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Thanks Ged,appreciate that.
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Ribero - did you want any stuff on Ski's flat career? It was not very inspiring and he must have been on the verge of a Timeform squiggle at times.
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Thanks Blackbarn but it was as a hurdler I remember him and from what you say its no surprise! did he win on the flat?
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Yes Ribero - Won one at wolves aged 4 - ran 23 times at ages three/four (unraced at two) - placed 10 times!! Timeform said "finds little off the bridle". Ran 19 times aged five, 4 wins (incl 1 disq) - Timeform still said "finds little off the bridle" and "has shown a tendency to hang". Ran 15 times at six - 1 win - same comments.
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Thanks again Blackbarn.
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Young Inca , grey sprinter regular in the handicaps ..........used to walk in the stalls without a handler.
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Young Inca - Remember him well. Late developer who improved gradually till he was about 7, then deteriorated equally gradually till he was 12 or so. Standing dish at Goodwood. He seemed to win there every year for ages, and was often placed if he didnt win. Memory probably playing tricks - I'll look him up but that's going to be a lot of data to go through.
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Young Inca was a Grey - if I remember correctly -
West-Country horse - trained by Les Cottrell |