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Will be in Guiness book of records soon , most losers in a row tipped by anyone?
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he had an horrendous run in first year or 2 but i'm going back prob 15 yrs or something
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couple of 2nds today.....he is going to have a winner sooner or later..........if youve not been a follower i suppose nows the time to start...probably not much trouble getting the advertised price........though saying that it might not be true
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they are getting closer, law of averages will hit the net soon.
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^ that's the same brain dead strategy adopted by FOBT players. ' I've not had a winning spin off this for ages...so ...it's due to pay out any minute now '
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Is Seagull still employed by RP? If so, why ? In any other business he'd have been sacked long ago for gross incompetence.
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When the seagull follows the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.
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Rather have Cod
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Why Lamb Chop? I never answer your prayers.
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A losing run of this size is inevitable with long shots. My best was 80...and 2 wins in 140.
Segal may start to panic and start going for shorter prices, then he will be finished. |
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won ten saturdays in a row a couple of years ago
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59 ?
He had a winner on the 23rd of August, Western Boy in the Curragh 5:10. He had previously had a losing streak of 30.  |
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was that a pw pick or one of his Sunday picks with no price advised, WFT?
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pw extra, presumably, having just checked the paper of that day.
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No idea, George, It might have been a Pricewise Extra selection, but I don't record any difference. It was from Tom Segal, that#s all I know.
There's a lot of boll0cks talked about him, but he is having his worst year since I started keeping records (2007). |
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think people are just referring to his Pricewise column picks in the paper here..that's the 59 loosers
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He is beginning to look a bit of a coooont to be fair.....you couldnt pick 59 straight losers with a ferking pin for christs sake.
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Skinto does it regular.
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I've been keeping a spreadsheet of all my bets since 2005, the longest losing run I've had is about 40, I've had loads of 30+ losing runs in that time. I typically bet at the sort of prices that Segal advises at, rarely anything short.
59 is extremely bad, there comes a point where you've got to question his judgement, we all have losing runs regardless of how good we are at picking winners, but 59 is truly awful. I've never followed his tips but I get the impression he's lost his edge, a bit like Henry Ricks did, and Mel Collier too time to step aside and let someone else have a go |
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Even St Hugh once when 70-odd losers on the trot, it happens to the best of us
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WFT...do you keep a record for any other Racing Post tipsters?
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Anyone in particular in mind, grayhawk?
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a few more points coming up with autumn double thursday and friday.
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Would like to know how much Richard Birch has lost this year George.
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Good point Blooob.....he rarely nominates shorties. I dont generally back longshots, but not always favourites either. My longest run of outright losers that I fancied to win was during a particularly turbulent period a couple of years ago when I went 12 without a win. However that bad run included 8 seconds, four of which were beaten under a neck, it also included a horse which never left the stalls although under orders, and a horse whose stirrup snapped as it was coming to win its race. At the time I was distraught, so I can only imagine Segal is at his wits end. The difference though is I need to make money from racing, and have done so for the past 20 years, whereas lucky boy Segal gets paid lumps for his services, so doesnt need to win from punting at all, just like Birch and all the other pi££ poor judges at the racing post.
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line of reason 13/2
intense tango 8/1 magic dancer 14/1 naadirr 12/1 hardly outsiders, he couldn't tip $hit at the moment |
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A run like this is inevitable bearing in mind the price of the horses he selects but it doesn't make it any easier to stomach. He or The Racing Post should offer some insight and explaination as to why these losing runs happen as how you deal with them is THE most important thing in becoming a successful punter. Goodwood use to be my favourite place to bet at, then this year I went through 1 winner out of 80 selections and they wern't all big priced runners like Segal tips. I lost £7500 there including £3500 at the main meeting. I would never have thought a run like that was possible. One saving grace with me now is I don't chase, but it's taken me a long time to become disciplined in that way.
I am constantly searching the net for help with these losing runs and at the moment have started reading "The Drunkards Walk" which Hugh taylor recommended - but it's quite hard work. It's the despair you feel, lack of info and people to talk to when you hit these runs. Don't assume he's near to tipping a winner. Look at that losing run Mark Jonhston went through over the winter, 100+ runners and no winner. One of the most incredible things to have ever happened in racing yet more or less ignored by the press. But then look at the summer he has had and how things have changed! |
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Bruce needs to get Ben Linfoot from Sporting Life, whatever the cost imho
another 14/1 winner today ............ |
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WFT...do you keep a record for any other Racing Post tipsters?
Most of the online ones, if not all, grayhawk. Richard Birch, only as Pricewise Extra, has a ROI this year of -18.5%. Segal's is -16.8%. |
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mcfraudy must have gone off beachy head
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Ed Quigley (Longshot), sometimes talked about as a future Pricewise is currently on a 70 losing run sequence !
The truth is there's nobody there to full Tom's shoes. Two that they got rid of, Eddie Fremantle and Andrew Barr, were both better than Tom. |
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How can you expect run of the mill punters to endure losing runs like these without throwing in the towel? My mate who follows his tips through thick and thin and has had some nice touches has done £5000 on him this year but won't stop following him in case he comes good.
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Exactly MC, which is why I'm keeping the faith with me 'lucky' pin, just in case it comes good at some point!
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Thanks WFT.....
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McCoy Carp 29 Aug 15 19:31
How can you expect run of the mill punters to endure losing runs like these without throwing in the towel? My mate who follows his tips through thick and thin and has had some nice touches has done £5000 on him this year but won't stop following him in case he comes good. ----------- Similar scenario to people who do the same numbers every week on the National Lottery ... - and then .... HAD to put them on for the Mid-Week draw - IN CASE they came up - and they missed them ... - and then .... HAD to put them on for the Euromillions - IN CASE they came up - and they missed them. |
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Exactly MC, which is why I'm keeping the faith with me 'lucky' pin, just in case it comes good at some point!
Interesting comment about the "pin", George. Last year (421 tips ago) I introduced a totally random daily tipster into my tables, called The Pin, to see how randomness would fare against so-called tipsters. Out of 102 tipsters, The Pin currently lies in 81st position. So there are 21 tipsters who perform worse. 13 of these work for the Racing Post.  |
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I must admit that Value Bet From the Sportinglife website along with a careful read of the Fahey column would make more sense and it is free...
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WFT.....doesnt surprise me in the least mate. Amazing that so called tipster/journalists are actually paid to do jobs they are quite clearly hopeless at. The racing post is obviously the worse for this gravy train approach, its actually embarrassing when you think about it, given that there are plenty of knowledgeable decent punters who could do so much better.
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WFT 29 Aug 15 19:52
The Pin currently lies in 81st position. So there are 21 tipsters who perform worse. 13 of these work for the Racing Post. --------------- Classic  |