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Speculative Bid ???
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well at least we agree dave
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Have betfair made an announcement for exchange punters?
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"Shouldn't lose Antepost. Rules for AP stop on morning of the race so I believe"
Completely untrue. If this was the case all entrants would still be entered up until that point. |
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We can argue all we want but the official result says that the horse was a non runner,bit like saying "the ref was wrong ,it was not a goal"
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brassneck - it has been decalred a runner now
The rack have acknowledged their error |
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*track
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the stewards that were on duty today should not be allowed to work again, they are beyond a joke
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Jamie spencer was not on the horse when the race started,you can not allow a horse to run without a jockey.
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Head over side of adjacent stall as they opened and failed to emerge
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that's good news purple,i layed it.SO THE BOOKIES WILL ALL HAVE TO RUN DOWN THE HIGH STREETS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TO GET THEIR MONEY BACK.
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exactly - nice to see them quickly refund thinking it is good PR and then realise it has been an almighty balls up by doing so - i expect the R4 would have been preferred
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Can someone qualify - in Betfair terms was this a runner or not -ie have they paid lay punters and takne the cash off backers?
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Its black and white . The horse clearly came under orders and anything similar that has happened in the past 50 years or so has been declared a runner , so whats different today ?
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yeah but in real terms what are they doing - are they paying layers then?
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Yes they have too.
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So the next time a jockey fails to remove the blindfold in time in a 5 furlong sprint,and loses 10 lengths the stewards will have to declare the horse a non runner ,after all it was not with the field just like speculative bid ?
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they have to honour the layers despite the horse being declared a NR - how are they justifying that?
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Surel a backer on a NR gets their money back? Or do BF have alternative t&cs?
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WH,LAD refunding bets
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the horse was not declared a non runner
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ok thanks, guess its a weighed in thing then..
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Just listened to a debate with Jamie Steer and Dave Nevison which made the situation harder to understand. I had a small bet on Speculative Bid so did my money as I expected before the announcement but how can I lose money on a non runner?
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It was declared a non runner until they realised that some plonker had announced weighed in before they broadcast the decision.
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was on course and shortly after the stewards was announced they also said it does not effect the placings so basically giving the nod to pay out on the result despite the fact the stewards was ongoing. Not saying they got it right but may explain why result was settled before stewards completed
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credit to skybet who treated it as a nr
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bet365 not refunding
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Sean@sean14 · 3h ago
Sean in Manchester bought some decking with the as yet uncollected Speculative Bid returned stake money and is now in peril |
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Why is more not being made of the starters error?.
In the context of the rules yeah the horse came under orders so had to be deemed a runner, that I accept, but it never should have done so as the jockey wasn't even on it's back! To compare it with a jockey failing to remove a blindfold in time is like comparing night and day. That particular example is a pre determined move on the part of jockey under instructions from a trainer and failure to remove the blindfold in time is jockey error, in today's case I very much doubt the jockey said he would have the horse's head in the next door stall and be standing on the bars of the stalls and not sitting on the horse when the stalls opened!! |
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A horse must have a jockey on board as the race starts to be a runner.
most people who know about racing know this information. but the casual punter may not know this.  |
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In the real world the head steward should have announced an enquiry as soon as they passed the post. It was clear to see after one extra look they should have then declared it a non runner.
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everyone knew it way a non runner ,Richard Hoyles(think that's his name) said it has to be a non runner because spencer was not on board.Nick Luck confused the issue by saying "if you backed the fav I feel for you"we will have to wait and see what happened.
It is the rules no jockey on board =non runner. And it is used every day in jumping.if the jockey is left sitting on a horse at the start its a runner.if he is dislodged before the tapes go up he is a non runner. |
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Amazing it was a heavily backed favourite as well - obviously just a coincidence ;-)
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its got no chance!
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Complete shambles. But dare I ask if it was a 20/1 shot would there have been as much fuss ?
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what I learned Sunday forum
starter CAN declare a horse a N/R,independent of stewards |
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but has to do it before weigh-in
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Indeed. So much hubris involved the whole incident. Starter let them go with the jockey standing in the stalls, clearly off the horse and should have declared it a NR there and then. That would have course meant admitting to his own error in the first instance.
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