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By:
breadnbutter
When: 29 May 15 21:44
Dementia is a horrible disease Plain
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 29 May 15 21:55
Paul, please ignore him.


you are one of the good guys.
By:
Paul Haigh - Total Respect
When: 08 Nov 15 21:50
I'm delighted to report that this bet has finally been paid in full.

IBAS were not involved.
By:
doantwin2easy
When: 08 Nov 15 22:07
When I had the tri-cast in miss world a few years back, all i was told was that there were two big reasons they couldn't pay me. can't remember what they were.
By:
patrick starr
When: 08 Nov 15 22:14
Its quite funny watching a half wit like homefortea trawling threads looking for attention,hasnt the brains to be original even,just another twoapenny troll Laugh

Great work again Paul Happy
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 09 Nov 15 00:03
Well done Paul.
By:
WestRat
When: 09 Nov 15 00:16
Keep up the good work Paul!
By:
WestRat
When: 09 Nov 15 00:22
What made them decide to pay, after 6 Months?
By:
Fashion Fever
When: 09 Nov 15 00:42
westrat, the 2/1 sweden was one of freds pushes (11/8 to 2/1 £100 max bet singles only), I remember it well as it was 2.6 to lay on here and all the arbers where running all the shops is towns.

well done Paul on getting cash, but would be freds side here to be honest, says on about 4 screens the freds pushes are win only

lets hope the cashier recieved extra training, and not dismissed.
By:
Nightfly
When: 09 Nov 15 09:02
DOES IT SAY  WIN SINGLES ONLY...OR JUST WIN ONLY
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 09 Nov 15 09:20
Well done on getting paid, but ..

Agree with Fashion Fever, if the punter tried to take the boosted price in the double they were either stupid, or more likely, trying it on.

Either way, should not be paid and there are probably many more deserving cases of help.
By:
Nightfly
When: 09 Nov 15 09:37
Do The T AND C's say win singles only?  if not then the price can be used in multiples , end of
By:
insideinfo
When: 09 Nov 15 10:27
well done paul.i think the onus should be on the staff on the issue of whether or not a bet should have been accepted.its unreasonable to expect customers to be aware of every single rule and clause that the bald scammer has in place.especially as rules may also vary from one firm to another.should punters be forced to go on courses to make sure they are up to speed on the rules on every firm??? no ofcourse they shouldnt,the bloody staff should be trained properly!!!
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 09 Nov 15 11:14
Or the terms and conditions should be clearly understandable and prominently displayed. There's far too much advertising con going on in many walks of life.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 09 Nov 15 11:30
A simple question for fred.

If the bet had been written:

Horse name £100 win.

Any to come, ALL ON Sweden to win Eurovision.

Then it would have been 2 singles and unless it oversteps the Max payout as stated in fred's rules for novelty/entertainment bets - in which case there would be change from the horse and the rest going on to the song - then it would be treated as 2 singles, wouldn't it?

Therefore, there should be no issue with the double. Not that there should anyway.
By:
Big Boss
When: 09 Nov 15 11:40
common sense has prevailed, well done Paul (again)
By:
Nightfly
When: 09 Nov 15 12:07
well said eoptimist
By:
Fashion Fever
When: 09 Nov 15 12:41
nightfly go in freds on a saturday 9.30am for the bonus hour

freds normally in the studio he pushes horses usually favs on channel 4 and any big events what maybe on television

fred asks his traders in this instance what price are we sweden for the ESC, the trader would say 11/8 fred says right we will go 2/1 for a maximum of £100, then the trader will put up a price comparison chart, and fred will slag the opposition as PP going a brave 5/4, laddys youll be lucky to get a tenner on etc etc, why would you want to bet anywhere else.

on the price comparision caption screen it clearly says win and single only at the bottom, which is clearly displayed on screens in shop.

if you want a double you would have to take 11/8 sweden the pre push price and the horse what was placed in the double pre push price.

the bet was accepted by the cashier by error for whatever reason, fred liable for his cashiers so therefore coughed up.
By:
BARROWBOY
When: 09 Nov 15 15:25
fashion,agree with everything you said apart from the last sentence.from what ive seen over the the last 20 yrs or so the high st bookies take no responsibility for any errors their cashiers make.
By:
halcyon days
When: 09 Nov 15 16:18
Well done Paul, excellent work ! Cool


Homme, your arrogance/stupidity knows no bounds !   Sad
By:
s.kenbo
When: 09 Nov 15 16:19
Some of his pushes are singles only. But every Saturday when Fred pushes the horses out someone in the studio will say something about putting them all in a Yankee for a great return.
By:
Fashion Fever
When: 09 Nov 15 16:20
Read on here that a betting slip is a law abiding contract between punter and bookie when accepted, It will come under statuary law thou and requires consent from both sides, if punter accepts winnings therefore its end of the contract, as far as the bookmaker is concerned, and you have given your consent required under statuary law by accpepting your winnings 90% of punters will probably accept winnings after a short argument, walk out the shop muttering swear words to themselves if the punter believes his winnings are short. By not accepting winnings you are not giving your consent to the contract, I suspect any cases like this case went to IBAS/small claims then a bookmaker would be liable for employee mistakes and the punter gets paid, i doubt its something the bookmakers want you to know however.
By:
s.kenbo
When: 09 Nov 15 16:23
Fooking hell, H4T wrote that nearly six months! It only takes about six minutes to suss him out.
By:
Nightfly
When: 09 Nov 15 16:27
WELL IF FRED TREATED HIS EMPLOYEES AS VALUABLE MEMBERS OF HIS STAFF RATHER THAN MINIMUM WAGE FODDER...THEN YOU MIGHT GET MORE ENFRANCHISED STAFF...THAT ALWAYS GET IT IN THE NECK..WHEN PAYMESTERS ARE PILING UP MEGA PROFITS AND PAYING THEIR SHOP FLOOR STAFF BUGGER ALL
By:
halcyon days
When: 09 Nov 15 16:39
Deffo the lowest payer's on the High Street, local manageress on £8 per hour !  Cry
By:
halcyon days
When: 09 Nov 15 16:42
... and ad's on tills (for staff) loan a ''grand'' and pay back £1,400 back over twelve months !  Shocked
By:
halcyon days
When: 09 Nov 15 16:43
Despicable ''man'', and I use the word advisedly !
By:
JML
When: 09 Nov 15 18:34
Fashion Fever-I'm guessing that the Eurovision song contest would
be singles only,regardless of the price.

Bets may be law abiding contracts,but part of that contract is
that all bets are subject to the company's T&C.

Probably the cashier already knew that the boosted price was 2/1
without having to check on the screen.Just forgot that it was
singles only.
By:
Nightfly
When: 09 Nov 15 18:42
... and ad's on tills (for staff) loan a ''grand'' and pay back £1,400 back over twelve months !  That really is  desperatley sick in 2015
By:
JML
When: 09 Nov 15 19:05
That's Betfred for you.

Pay their staff the minimum and then offer them loans.
By:
homefortea
When: 09 Nov 15 20:33
There is no-one on here that despises the bald knocker more than me..

However as some of the more insightful posters have pointed out it was a price push for singles only..


"Jack Hacksaw
Well done on getting paid, but ..

Agree with Fashion Fever, if the punter tried to take the boosted price in the double they were either stupid, or more likely, trying it on.

Either way, should not be paid and there are probably many more deserving cases of help."


In a World where it is impossible to get a bet accepted online due to the same "terms and conditions" that some on here claim should be disregarded when SINGLES ONLY MAX £100 is flashed across four screens there are people that think that Paul Haigh - total respect should be applauded for allegedly helping some chancer when millions of punters are "starving" due to an inability to get a bet on is staggering..

Those who are having a pop at me have bets accepted without a backward glance and you do not have to wonder why....Laugh
By:
homefortea
When: 09 Nov 15 20:35
Incidentally when you pay your "managers" £8 an hour then you get what you pay for..

But ignorance is no defence.
By:
Nightfly
When: 09 Nov 15 21:23
is not a question of defence..How can you pay managers a pathetic £8 hour when you can pick litter of a racecourse for £10 an hour..The bookmaking industry is a disgrace..and hire and fire at will..they should all have their licenses revoked
By:
EIRROG
When: 10 Nov 15 09:34
giggitygiggity • May 29, 2015 9:45 AM BST
The issue is that most firms are singles only on TV/Novelty bets

hits the nail on the head here sadly
By:
homefortea
When: 10 Nov 15 19:36
I am sure that the real Paul Haigh wherever he is would be appalled at the use of his name by someone who cannot see the bigger picture..
By:
JML
When: 10 Nov 15 20:08
We have one thing to thank Paul Haigh for.

We now know that Betfred are very reluctant to
argue their case in court even when they seem
to have a strong defence.

They just seemed to have used the same tactics that
IBAS have done for years to discourage complaints
by making them wait months.

Paul Haigh---did you manage to get them to pay any extras
like courts expenses?
By:
homefortea
When: 10 Nov 15 20:12
We are not talking about Paul Haigh you half-wit but a clueless Librarian that has nothing better to do....

I thought better of the bald knocker but it seems that he has paid the chancer his £75 rather than take it to Court
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 10 Nov 15 20:26
Good. PHTR provides a good service. But it's harder to endorse the Arber Agenda: it is unsustainable. Bookmakers would withdraw from pricing races. If you think it easy, try laying the field mid-morning on Betfair. Not best price, any price that's more or less reflective of a horse's chance. And you will lose.
By:
homefortea
When: 10 Nov 15 20:43
Are you on prescription drugs or are they illegal unitedbiscuits...

I had the biggest bag of magic mushrooms a couple of weeks ago and yet they had no effect on me...
By:
homefortea
When: 10 Nov 15 20:47
Why would anyone want to lay the field at any time

The punters best approach is that he can pick off what he considers a mistake and if he wants not have a bet for a couple of weeks

Who are these mythical arbers
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