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29 May 15
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A customer places a double on a horse at Haydock and Sweden to win the Eurovision Song Contest.
Bet wins, Betfred settle it as two singles.
Needless to say, court papers are being served as Betfred have naturally referred us to IBAS.
Bet wins, Betfred settle it as two singles.
Needless to say, court papers are being served as Betfred have naturally referred us to IBAS.
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Did the bet clearly state a double and if so what do Betfred claim the issue is ?
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Yes the bet was crystal clear and they were happy to accept it.
They were evidently not so happy to honour it. |
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don't have a leg to stand on if bet written correctly.
seems to be more and more disputes with fred? |
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More every single day.
I could make this a full time job if there was any money in it! |
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The issue is that most firms are singles only on TV/Novelty bets
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I've just been on his website and put a horse, and a contestant from Big Brother into the bet slip and it only gives the option to bet it as singles.
If I was making this kind of bet (who would really?) then I'd make sure it was written in Fred's blood that it was an acceptable bet. Keep up the good work Paul, but unless they settle this as a "gesture of goodwill" I can't see this being a case with much winning potential. Palpable error from staff, no doubt. |
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i would think freds rules could be easily overuled in a court of law,no palpable,bet accepted end of
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I disagree I'm afraid.
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On receipt of the court papers being served they will most likely honour the bet begrudgingly and attempt to put a positive spin on it
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No doubt if one won and one lost they would be doing everything possible to find the punter and pay him out the single......
The bloke was on the morning line last week and was saying how honest he was. All these welchers need proper highlighting in the press, but that is where the problem lies. Nobody wants to report it. |
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If he's bet 2/1 Sweden it was a push,which are singles only £100 max...
If you live in South Wales though you are only allowed £20 on pushes,whoever you are.. |
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exactly pencil he won;t have a leg to stand on if he has bet the two top prices, clearly states as you say singles only
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He has a leg to stand on, although it is far too rickety to succeed. It is the question of whether the shop staff or the punter ought to have known the singles-only rule.
If IBAS or the courts did rule in favour of the punter on those grounds, then betting shops would quickly abolish betting slips in favour of pre-printed mark-sense forms so all bets are checked electronically when placed, so we'd all be worse off. They'd need to do this to protect themselves from sharks trying it on. |
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But surely if they are pushes or not, when you place the bet and take the price SURELY there is a message on the screen for the cashier that states "MAX £100" "SINGLES ONLY" etc. It ain't rocket science that's needed to help both sides of the counter.
It's wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was company policy to take as much as possible and then void as many as possible, and have plenty of sleepers for the xmas party. The majority of these threads seem to involve this firm, and plenty seem to be the exact same bets that have been paid out elsewhere. |
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The point about singles only being acceptable would carry more weight if I wasn't in possession of plenty of evidence of doubles being accepted and paid out in similar circumstances by the same firm.
Oh, and of course plenty of losing doubles where the returns are zero. |
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There's a new area manager in Wales and west,Mr Dave Nicholson..he's as thick as anyone I've ever come across
He's banned me for being to clever... I've bet the bundles which they chose teams,prices and stakes Pushes,they pick horse,price and stake Virtual pushes,again pick horse,price and stake... How can they say I'm too clever? Anyone who can read and write could do the same... Ps..thickest since Jill Davies who he replaced for thieving... |
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I would like to see bookmakers prove in these instances that they had paid out on similar bets where one of the singles had won before they could void/resettle a winning double. Their consistency in settling these bets is never questionned and I think that is unacceptable
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That's a good call. ^^^^
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I cant really see a problem with his bet anyway, they are hardly related contingencies, nothing stopping him putting his Sweden winnings on a horse after he has collected them.
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As someone said earlier, bets like Eurovision and similar novelty type bets are singles only. If this was done in a shop then unless it was put into 'aliens' or 'empties' and then manually settled as a winning double I don't think epos would allow the bet to be translated as a double.
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Has to get the money from somewhere for the Staff Loans
 How much was the bet ? |
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@SlippyBlue - The bet was placed in a shop, it was accepted by staff and correctly translated as a double.
When the customer returned for his winnings, the shop staff confirmed the settlement ( as a double ) and said they just needed to phone Security to authorise payment as it was over £1000. Betfred Security then amended the translation of the bet to singles - despite their computer correctly settling it as a double. This is exactly what they did in the case of the 40k bet which they spent months tryinh to avoid paying out on before settling up once they knew a story was due to be published in the Guardian the following day. |
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Pay the man FFS
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eurovision was win only in betfred. sweden were 7/4 on coupons thou that was cut to 6/4 pre 915am. late on in happy hour, around 1030/1045 it was pushed to 2/1 100 max win singles only. at 11 oclock sweden were cut back to 11/8.
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BIAS will say there was 'e' in both names, so it's a related bet?
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Or a Swedish jockey rode the horse..
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But surely if they are pushes or not, when you place the bet and take the price SURELY there is a message on the screen for the cashier that states "MAX £100" "SINGLES ONLY" etc. It ain't rocket science that's needed to help both sides of the counter.
I don't think that is the case as quite often in 1 fred shop I go in the woman will ring up to see what the maximum is despite me pointing to the advert which says max £100, singles only Also other occasions I have written say £100 @ 3/1 and when going to collect it has been translated at the non-pushed price say 2/1 and then they have had to ring up to see if it was pushed at the time I placed the bet So assume nothing |
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Fair enough Paul, I stand corrected on that but I asked my mate who has been a manager for Corals for 20 years and he said it would be translated as 2 singles. Betfred are a rotten firm, my local shop opposite Herne Hill train station have got the rudest staff ever. I have been punting since I was at school, they are truly a rancid firm. Well done on your efforts to sort out disputes.
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"I cant really see a problem with his bet anyway, they are hardly related contingencies, nothing stopping him putting his Sweden winnings on a horse after he has collected them. Crazy.."
Such is the intelligence of those on here and we are supposed to know better.. Surely the Punter would have been an extra in Dr Who and gone back in time.. I hate the rancid knocker but if the price push stated singles only then his Head Office minimum wage staff are correct. Was it a price push.. Does anyone know or even care.. |
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Incidentally agree with those that point out the probable hundreds of thousands bets that go unclaimed as sleepers..
Not in my day...  |
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I aint a buffoon HFT, I know you cant go back retrospectively
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absolutely agree HFT, we all know it goes on between firms.
it may be software related though, I remember opening up an 888 acct and it have the same 1% reduction factor on max stake as my Blu Sq one I queried it, saying they were two separate companies and couldn't share data protected personal info, 888 said they didn't share info, yet my max stake was identical with both firms |
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Big Boss it goes further than betting partners that take the same odds...
There is a massive swapping of usernames passwords and home details amongst the alleged "Bookmakers"... I am comfortably off and may work again sometime as I must admit I have less money than a few years ago... But what is happening is a disgrace and if Mr Haigh wants something to investigate then rather buddy up with Chancers then he should investigate Data Swapping amongst the thieves.. |
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RANCID.
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homefortea - I appreciate your advice on how I should spend my time.
For the record, I have a full time job, and in my spare time I choose to offer free help and advice to people with betting disputes. I have had plenty of success in helping people obtain their winnings by persevering with cases even when you yourself have said I have no chance. I respect your right to have an opinion, but I have no knowledge of data protection laws and so it's pointless me wasting my time on the project you suggest. |
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The fact that no punter can get a bet on should concern an alleged crusader.
You waste your time backing up chancers and idiots and ignore the bigger picture. Perhaps you should take a long stare in the mirror... |
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I have never claimed to be a crusader, far from it.
I consider my time well spent, and so do those who have received their money even after IBAS have ruled against them. I have no need to stare in the mirror, I am very comfortable with who I am and how I choose to live my life thank you. |
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Hommie
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