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Jim Best - the modern day equivalent of Barney Curley?
Jim Best - the modern day equivalent of Barney Curley?
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spyker, you didnt want the bog standard reply 'If you don't know you shouldn't be in this game'....well, you've done a first-rate job of illustrating why it's used
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barney does a lot of good work for a lot of people and anyone who takes money off bookmakers is a good egg
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barney is a nasty man
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Curley is a piece of **** that cares only about himself. No folk hero, no legend, just a tawt.
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spyker, you didnt want the bog standard reply 'If you don't know you shouldn't be in this game'....well, you've done a first-rate job of illustrating why it's used Cry
How so, by not following the crowd? I obv knew what answer would be forthcoming and i knew that from memory the prices didn't seem to bear out that theory - SH price at time of wd roughly 2's (with rule 4) and others on here have said it may have opened at 5/2 if it was the only Old runner (i'd dispute this but obv it would be shorter with AP up - I'd say around 5's) so 2's with a rule 4 or 5/2 without? They could have easily pulled this off without the nr/musical saddles and would just look a bit iffy, as opposed to the fix it looks like. It was backed with the bookies before here from the looks of it but from this stable if it had been backed heavily overnight it would have been 2's from early doors but was only properly backed from 9ish. Sorry if the facts (prices) seem to get in the way of the theory. but i just don't see much worthwhile gain (according to the theory on this thread) from the nr/jockey switch. |
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Not even the equivalent of a modern day barney rubble.
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So Barney is evil eh? How many of you smug self-satisfied, hate-filled individuals have genuinely done anything for anyone else, especially in a third-world country?
Proper evil the man is..... |
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It's all a waste of time. Horse racing is finished.
Move on. |
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So its a lost cause, sounds like a job for ima mazed...! Someone put a call out to him, he'll keep up the crusade forever if you mention something like it is to aid KF's pension plan...!
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Things were a LOT worse before mandatory overnight declarations of jockeys came in.
Many a time 7lb claimer was jocked up in the night papers and forecast at 20/1. Only for it to bolt in as favourite with Lester riding it !!! |
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DUNERUNNER is correct.
Sandown Result 06 Nov 1993 « 4:05 EBF NATIONAL HUNT FLAT (4-6yo) (2m110y) 2m½f Good To Firm £2,092.00, £587.00, £286.00 HORSE/SP AGE WGT TRAINER/JOCKEY OR TS RPR 1 Sprintfayre 14/1 5 11-0 R Simpson — * * » Mr M Armytage Made virtually all, clear 2f out, driven out Sprintfayre shortened from 25s in places and gave a thoroughly professional performance in making every yard, showing not a hint of greenness despite being a horse who had never raced before. Under the jockey's name for this racecourse debutant in the Racing Post that morning was the word DOUBTFUL. The runners and riders board at Sandown Park simply had a blank next to the horse's number. Sprintfayre was a 5yo gelding by Magnolia Lad owned by Peter J Colman, who at the time also owned a successful hurdler called Billy Boru, who, quite coincidentally, also happened to be a 5yo gelding by Magnolia Lad. Billy Boru was also listed as trained by Rod Simpson, but until earlier in the year had been trained by none other than the late Albert Davison, who claimed to be retired from training at the time. A few months later both of these horses, along with several others previously trained by Davison, were running with the name of Monica Long as their trainer. If you think the Best firm are iffy, they're as clear as daylight compared to what used to go on in the Davison yard. |
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Yet another stain on the sport. All so predictable.
The really disappointing thing is that the champion jockey, and probably the best known personality in the sport, has anything to do with this. Fully expect the BHA to do nothing. Is there any other serious regulatory authority in the world that would allow what we saw today to happen? |
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£1949 to the winner,thats the crime here,my friends brothers greyhound a bog standard grader runs for more than that at the Meadows greyhound track Melbourne on a Saturday night.
I hardly ever look at a race like todays never mind bet on but if thats your bag looking for that sort of coup would be part of it I would of thought and in that respect not hard to spot |
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spyker
03 Sep 14 16:26 I'm prob being very thick but what was gained by the nr and musical saddles other than to highlight what was going on? If only SH declared from stable (with Mccoy) it prob wouldn't have opened much shorter last night and it wasn't laid to that much at biggish prices anyway? Then they could have gambled away with just the improvement in form to explain - this looks very messy and dodgy to even those with no interest in racing. spyker 03 Sep 14 16:50 Thanks for the explanations but it doesn't add up! I haven't got the figs but as of about 1ish last night when I went to bed there really wasn't that much bet on the race - SH had come in from about 12's to 9ish but to pennies. ITW drifts and withdrawn 1130ish, by which time SH has been backed all morning and is already 7/4ish. All they got by withdrawing the other 1 is a rule 4 from what i can see! If only SH declared from stable (with Mccoy) it prob wouldn't have opened much shorter last night....Yes it would...MUCH shorter and it wasn't laid to that much at biggish prices anyway?....no-one with more than a couple of brain cells is going to snaffle the peanuts available on here the night before and mark the bookies card for them ITW drifts and withdrawn 1130ish, by which time SH has been backed all morning and is already 7/4ish....so you see that the longer-priced SH is backed all morning whilst the shorter-priced ITW is friendless (wonder why?) and you dont see how this has helped them get a better price about SH  All they got by withdrawing the other 1 is a rule 4 from what i can see!...no, they got McCoy on its back AFTER they had backed it (they seem to rate him higher than Rhys Flint) |
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they got McCoy on its back AFTER they had backed it (they seem to rate him higher than Rhys Flint)
That'd be a good one to add to the RP's Postdata section; "Jockey can actually do weight allotted" |
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Yes - The McCOY connection does look SO poor.
Same as - Frankel's jockey T QUEALLY - failing abjectly on all those 'non-buzzers' for Barney - before having an armchair ride to victory ... when wanted. |
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I think I know what you are saying spyker.
If Saint Helena is so well in only known by the stable, then keep the shorter priced horse in the race knowing it wont like the going and with McCoy on, meanwhile you have a reasonable jockey on SH to keep the price. It wins because no matter who is riding it has so much in hand. They then avoid all the trouble of switching jockeys and only have to explain the improvement. |
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It wins because no matter who is riding it has so much in hand. They then avoid all the trouble of switching jockeys and only have to explain the improvement
Newsflash- it won a length, all out |
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aJay 03 Sep 14 22:35 Joined: 19 Aug 10 | Topic/replies: 109 | Blogger: AaJay's blog
£1949 to the winner,thats the crime here,my friends brothers greyhound a bog standard grader runs for more than that at the Meadows greyhound track Melbourne on a Saturday night. Im pretty sure if its even running at the meadows on a saturday night its a lot better than a "bog standard grader"... |
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Great to see the Racing Post giving this story plenty of coverage in the paper this morning.
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when trainers have more than 1 runner in a race why not have them coupled for betting purpose
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Duncan it doesn't matter what happened in the race. If it had got beaten would that have been ok?
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You'll laugh your head off at this 'defence' of yesterday's goings on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHtczAWokZA
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2 ways of looking at the race, I was lucky enough to get this as 1 of my tips at 6/1 and I was more confident of it winning than most of the bets I put on but on the other hand this can only be a bad thing for regular punters who must be scratching their heads at a horse with the form it had going off at 11/10 .
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http://www.geegeez.co.uk/the-best-exploiter-of-the-system/
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Patrick Starr
you are correct--last 2 runs/entries--- 5th July--The Meadows race 8 grade 5-1st $5000 2nd $1430 3rd£720 25th August--Warragul race 8 1st $1650 2nd $475 3rd$235 "bog standard grader" an inappropriate description, a goodish grader.the point I was trying to make was £1949 to the winner for horse racing is completely unacceptable and no use at all----we need horses running for the prize money. By the way I enjoy listening to greyhounds in Victoria online on 2KY radio---booming so I'm told and I will attend this New Year when visiting. Uk greyhound racings travails pain me greatly. |
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Who on earth is the guy on the right in the youtube clip ???
You Tube , is highly appropriate. |
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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/sep/04/bha-mulling-action-jim-best-planetoid
“I don’t know about the BHA but I couldn’t see what all the fuss was about,” Pure contempt. The words of a man who knows he can pretty much do what he wants. |
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Best does at least improve most of the cheap previously useless horses that come to him.
I was going to Worcester four years ago and noticed in the five day decs that he had one in the last called Mycenean Prince. It had been around for years with different trainers and its record was 0/42. On the overnight declarations he had McCoy on it and it was not then something that happened as often as now. I wondered it might be one to get out on or play up any winnings on. In the morning paper it was a short priced favourite. I debated whether to do it as there was an ex Nicky Richards horse Nobel now trained by Bryan Story in the race that looked a safe EW bet at 10/1. In the end I left the race alone to preserve my days profit. From memory Mycenean Prince opened on course around evens but at one time went out to 6/4 and was returned at 10/11. Raceform said: Made all, racing idly with ears pricked, ridden before 3 out, 6 lengths clear last, soon eased (op Evens tchd 6-5) My wife said why didn't you do it, you have talked of it all week? Nobel was second. Mycenean Prince won next time out for Best before being P/U at Plumpton and sold on to only win once more. |
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Oldgit, I think nobody here is disputing the fact that, Jim can train one. With regards to Mycenean Prince, the horse was having his first run for JB and had previously finished 2nd in a seller for a previous trainer before winning that race at Worcester, which was basically a seller in all but name. The horse probably benefited from a short break and a change of stable often gives a horse a new lease of life. I see absolutely nothing wrong with the way MP was handled by JB. Now lets move onto SH. The horse had been with JB throughout the Winter and was run a number of times on unsuitable going, as a result the handicapper had no choice but to give SH such a low mark. We then have the whole ruse of putting another runner in the same race, pulling it out and then switching jockeys. What price do you think they would have got if they just declared SH with AP booked? Not a great one IMO. The whole thing stinks.
Btw, The guy on the You Tube vid wearing the tie and cheap suit is an utter clown. I will have my maximum bet the guy doesn't make one penny from his punting. |
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trainer jamie snowden and jockey brendan powell questioned by the stewards before the race about riding instructions for there runner to the sky.
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A great bit of training from Jim Best,and risky,only just did the job.Many people on here knocking a trainer for having a winner which we can all see on past flat form was better than his rating over jumps, beating the handicapper and trying to find improvement with horses who have not inspired but known ability will always be the biggest part of this game,this was a good effort by Jim and he needs praise!
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A great bit of training from Jim Best
Yes, managing to get a 71 rated Flat horse a mark of 82 over hurdles. Such genius. |
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Rhys Flint, who has not ridden since March, had been declared to ride Saint Helena before McCoy became free. Some doubt has been expressed about whether Flint would have been able to do the weight on the horse, who carried just 10st 8lb.
“Rhys is a very good jockey and he’ll be getting plenty of rides for us,” Best said. “He rides out for us. I don’t know about his weight but I know he’s eager to get back riding.” Lol..didnt enquire whether he could do 10-8 despite jock not having a ride for 6 months...BHA should be tracking Flint down and putting him on some scales asap |
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Rear-division, pushed along to chase leaders 5th, driven 3 out, upsides next, led between last 2, jumped left and slight mistake last, all out (op 6/4),hardly your proverbial good thing, and not a barney job for sure,the other one might have been?
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i believe they got paid out nevertheless
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Credit to Jim Best, it's a masterstroke using Hans Christian Anderson as your scriptwriter.
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staggering that people fall for this 'oh it had an injury...they gave it a break and sorted it out' horse$h!t...SH ran 3 times in a month when the handicapper was refusing to give it a handicap mark...surely no trainer runs a horse 3 times in a month if it's injured...what's worrying is the likes of Best and Curley can get these horses to run as if they barely have a pulse when it suits them and there's seemingly nothing to be done about it
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Presumably 'a great bit of training' to take 7 runs to discover that the horse wanted better ground too?
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Far bigger fish seem to go unnoticed and jockeys like Spencer been riding too orders for years,not i can't agree with the witch hunt on Jim,small stable trying when they can (we all gotta eat). He got one running later in the week red ? something? very similar only this one been doing best?
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