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Jim Best - the modern day equivalent of Barney Curley?
Jim Best - the modern day equivalent of Barney Curley?
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Could Rhys Flint have ridden in the race at 10st 8lb? His own recent comments on twitter re 11st 'wishfulthinking' are very interesting.......
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Dunc are you thick?
there was a jockey change you retard ffs no wonder some can't make the game pay when they moan like hell at coups like this, which is like giving money away |
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They should have just added 40 to the flat mark, then the little sht in the big shades would not be jumping up and down on his phone after the race. He must owe somebody a fortune!
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bondy for the 3rd time
when did you get on this one please ?? |
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OK maybe you're right TRD, its still doesn't excuse connections continually running the horse on going it dislikes, then declaring 2 for a race and then switching Muckoy on to sad horse. Well done with your bet though. Did you get on early doors or jump on the bandwagon?
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yes, wasnt refering to your comment or this particular horse, tbh, striding...it doesnt matter what the circs, some trainer says 'ground' and everyone goes 'well, we cant prove him wrong'...it's like a free pass
in this instance, you say 'the horse had no form on it on the flat'...i'd disagree- it ran only twice on soft and did manage to run to a RPR within 9lb of her best on Flat in 2013 when 6th of 14 at Epsom...that suggests she might not be at her best on soft but it doesnt suggest PU every time she leaves the box |
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Says a lot that this doesn't go on far more often,lets face it the prize money in these races doesn't cover the collective fuel money for getting the horse's there.
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sageform not one of us on here is 'surprised' at the result...that's exactly the point, it's so transparent..it is blatant...but should we not be bothered that they (and Curley et al) can get horses to run stones below their best until the day they're wanted and when that day arrives they will try to hoodwink the public as best they can with NRs/jockey changes etc?
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I must admit i thought this Forum was dead on its ar5e but glad to see so many knowledgeable comments reg this
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After the jockey change and withdraw at 2.4
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whippin I didn't play the race,I prefer to back horses that I have watched and think I know a bit about. On flat form it was thrown in,in the end it wasn't that impressive,but got the job done.
With regard to declaring two and pulling one out,I agree that is less than ideal. As for running horses on ground they dislike or over incorrect distances,there would be no trainers left if that practice stopped |
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I don't know the trainer or i would of been on well before
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i tell you all what to do put a horse with jim best he seems to know what hes doing, good luck to them hope they get the lot off theses so called accounts
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does anyone know of one of these types that has won after drifting markedly
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Barton Bank, fully appreciate what you are saying and doubt anyone is surprised at the response you received, thing is, that is their way of ensuring that they do not have to act, only way to wake them from their slumber is for numerous complaints to be made and regularly followed up, until an appropriate response or change in the rules is forthcoming.
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string Not one of these types,but the yard did have a winner,last week I think it was,that went in without any clear support.
When I used to live in Surrey was always getting told of a Best horse that they fancied. The yard are not good at keeping schtum |
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Duncan, I agree that the rules should not have allowed the jockey change that was obviously planned. My point was that when punters say they have no chance when they study form, it depends what you mean by form. MR Best has plenty of form that pointed straight to the winner.
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TRD, I don't play in such low grade races either, I was just an interested observer. I agree with you on there being no trainers left if they didn't fiddle a bit with regards to trip and going and its up to the punter to investigate this for themselves. I just think on this occasion its gone a bit beyond "fiddling a bit"
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whippin Without doubt they are a gambling yard,but at the lower end of the racing scale many yards have to have a punt. Whether you agree with some of the tricks they pull,the Best yard very rarely get one wrong
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Best is not the problem; he's merely a symptom of the problem which is the BHA.....
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I would shoot the corodek bstd.
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i've said similar before .we are at a crossroads with racing .if the authorities want it treating as a serious sport and betting medium instead of a roulette/ bingo pastime with beer thrown over it they need to wake up . or there will be few people interested in 10 years time . ..incidentally , if that race was in hong kong where they punt millions and pack racecourses the connections would have plenty of time on their hands for the next couple of years
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ANALYSIS
SAINT HELENA, returning from a 125-day break, had shown little over hurdles in novice/maiden company but she was well supported here on her handicap debut. Taking over approaching the last, she was always doing enough on the run-in under a strong ride from Tony McCoy, who was a late jockey switch as his intended mount Into The Wind, a stablemate of the winner, was withdrawn due to the quick ground. She will have to improve again to cope with a rise for this. QUOTES: Jim Best, trainer of Saint Helena: At the moment the yard is in great form and she has found her form at home recently. |
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The BHA deserves the state racing is in at the moment. They are at least as responsible for it as anyone else.
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fcuk me
what's the point of the stewards |
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I'm prob being very thick but what was gained by the nr and musical saddles other than to highlight what was going on? If only SH declared from stable (with Mccoy) it prob wouldn't have opened much shorter last night and it wasn't laid to that much at biggish prices anyway? Then they could have gambled away with just the improvement in form to explain - this looks very messy and dodgy to even those with no interest in racing.
And please don't answer with the forum standard 'If you don't know you shouldn't be in this game' that always happens in this instance. |
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Pretty sure if McCoy had been declared on it as the only stable runner, it would have been put in favourite straight away given the horse had a decent Flat rating and taking into account the record of the stable with similar types.
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too easy to hoodwink brain dead stewards
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Spyker , by declaring AP on Into the Wind the market made that one favourite on jockey bookings and allowed Saint Helena to be chalked up at 6-1. Then once those involved got on at 6s APs mount was pulled out and he was put on Saint Helena.
Had AP been on Saint Helena in the first place you probably would have seen that one at 5-2 and the other at 6-1 instead. |
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REASONS FOR REFUSING TO ALLOT A HANDICAP RATING
Rule (F) 42.9 states that the Handicapper may in any case decline to allot a handicap rating if, in his opinion, he does not have sufficient information upon which to allot one. When refusing to allot a rating, every case is considered on its own merits with the overarching consideration being whether the Handicappers have sufficient evidence to allocate an accurate handicap rating to a horse. As a guide, the Handicappers might refuse to allocate a rating in the following circumstances: Both codes: Horse not ridden to achieve best possible placing Running and riding enquiry held at which connections explain why the horse could not show what it was capable of (but not found in breach) Insufficient evidence on which to base a rating such as a race for newcomers, or most horses in the race had never run before, or the best run was affected by something which means it would be guesswork to put a figure on it Badly hampered on more than one occasion Heavily eased Report from jockey suggesting the horse is significantly better than it appears to have shown in a way that cannot be quantified e.g. unsuitable going, choked Incompetent performance by a jockey including complete misjudgement of pace of race from front or back Horse showed such signs of temperament as to make it impossible to gauge its merit When a horse has no rateable form after 3 runs Horse stumbled or hung so badly that the horse could not be effectively ridden Very slowly away more than once Flat: First time out winners where there is little evidence provided by beaten horses or horse wins so easily it is impossible to quantify what they have achieved Where the best run mathematically was affected by any of the above When the distance over which a horse has run to qualify is blatantly inappropriate Jump: Where the horse has not completed the race after 3 runs Where the horse has not been not competitive at any point in the race on 2 occasions Exceptionally poor jumping Lack of headgear (compared to good previous Flat or bumper form) Every case is considered on its own merits with the Handicappers’ overarching consideration being whether they have sufficient evidence to allocate an appropriate handicap rating to a horse. Furthermore, in order to refuse to allocate a handicap rating, Handicappers are obliged to secure the approval of the Head or Deputy Head of Handicapping, thereby ensuring consistency in all such cases. If a trainer wants to dispute a case involving a horse not being allocated a rating, the trainer can revert to the BHA if they wish to instigate the handicap rating appeals procedure that is available. |
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Race 3 - 3:10pm THE 32Red CASINO HANDICAP HURDLE RACE (CLASS 5)
The Stewards held an enquiry to consider the apparent improvement in form of the winner, SAINT HELENA (IRE), ridden by A P McCoy and trained by Jim Best, which had never previously been placed. They interviewed the trainer who stated that the mare, who had been a very buzzy type in the past, settled better today and had benefited from a break of one hundred and twenty-five days since her last run. He added that the mare was suited by the firmer ground on this occasion. Having heard his evidence they forwarded his explanation to the British Horseracing Authority so that the previous performances of SAINT HELENA (IRE) could be reviewed. The Stewards ordered the mare to be routine tested. |
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Surely the reasons for why In The Wind was declared a non runner should be looked at? I'd be amazed if the ground had changed in the one day since she'd been declared on plus she regularly ran on quick ground for the Millmans, usually running to the same mark.
I don't see the evidence for why it should have been withdrawn today. |
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Thanks for the explanations but it doesn't add up! I haven't got the figs but as of about 1ish last night when I went to bed there really wasn't that much bet on the race - SH had come in from about 12's to 9ish but to pennies. ITW drifts and withdrawn 1130ish, by which time SH has been backed all morning and is already 7/4ish. All they got by withdrawing the other 1 is a rule 4 from what i can see!
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This is quite amazing. Having watched her last two races under two minutes ago, there is no evidence whatsoever to the naked eye that she takes a strong hold or buzzy in the least.
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the man is loaded
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r 03 Sep 14 16:04
Barton Bank, fully appreciate what you are saying and doubt anyone is surprised at the response you received, thing is, that is their way of ensuring that they do not have to act, only way to wake them from their slumber is for numerous complaints to be made and regularly followed up, until an appropriate response or change in the rules is forthcoming. Good luck with that project. They could receive 1000 complaints and still would do nothing and you would be lucky to even get a response. The BHA are not fit for purpose and that is a 1.00001 shot. |
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i wonder what he was doing on his phone all through the race , surley not betting in running ?
i can't imagine he was relaying the race back to someone as anyone that backed it could surely have watched it on atr, or paid to listen to commentary over the phone . maybe he is good at commentating  who knows  |
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celtic son
it's obviously a case of internal buzziness, very hard to see on the outside |
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i was at sandown racecourse and 2 men went up to barney and asked him if he fancied hes horse in the 3.05 to which barney said if you pay the bills you would know and walked off so the simple answer to all the people on this forum is go and get shares or buy a horse and you will get to know instead of coming on here moaning because you were not in on it.
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barney curley is a twisted individual ,, almost psychopathic .
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