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By:
breadnbutter
When: 03 May 14 17:40
a see it now , sorry looking in wrong column  Plain
By:
stridingedge
When: 04 May 14 10:32
will give aryal another chance today, if i'm wrong about this one will just as likely be tailed off as go close, ground an obvious concern (though dams side has plenty of winning form with some cut) and epsom run needs leaving well behind.

perhaps can dictate round here with most of the fancied ones here wanting cover, linguine could throw a spanner in the works if turning the lead into too much of an early duel but i'm hoping MJ's can get settled on the front end, no worries about it's stamina.

4:45 hamilton aryal 11.0
By:
stridingedge
When: 04 May 14 17:06
    date        race time        selection        early price        BFSP        price diff        placing        race p&l        p&l total        ROI   
                                                                               
    16:04:14        3:40 beverley        handwoven        5.80        8.00        37.93        3/10        -10.00        -10.00        -100.00   
    16:04:14        4:15 beverley        blue atlantic        3.80        4.79        26.05        =1/8        13.25        3.25        16.26   
    16:04:14        5:25 beverley        beylerby        9.20        16.00        73.91        6/7        -10.00        -6.75        -22.49   
    18:04:14        1:45 lingfield        aryal        9.00        9.10        1.11        4/11        -10.00        -16.75        -41.87   
    18:04:14        3:15 musselburgh        special meaning        6.20        7.20        16.13        3/12        -10.00        -26.75        -53.50   
    18:04:14        3:30 lingfield        hounting ground        7.40        7.45        0.68        12/14        -10.00        -36.75        -61.25   
    18:04:14        3:30 lingfield        blue wave        11.50        8.02        -30.26        8/14        -10.00        -46.75        -66.78   
    18:04:14        3:50 musselburgh        almargo        10.00        14.00        40.00        4/12        -10.00        -56.75        -70.93   
    20:04:14        3:05 musselburgh        spin artist        13.00        13.50        3.85        8/11        -10.00        -66.75        -74.16   
    20:04:14        3:35 musselburgh        sir frank morgan        9.40        22.38        138.09        4/9        -10.00        -76.75        -76.75   
    20:04:14        4:35 musselburgh        sir guy porteous        4.20        4.41        5.00        2/7        -10.00        -86.75        -78.86   
    23:04:14        3:05 catterick        little shambles        12.50        16.82        34.56        1/6        150.29        63.54        52.95   
    24:04:14        4:30 beverley        opera fan        3.80        3.95        3.95        1/6        28.03        91.57        70.44   
    04:05:14        4:45 hamilton        aryal        11.00        9.80        -10.91        7/7        -10.00        81.57        58.26   


no good today
By:
stridingedge
When: 12 May 14 11:02
finding selections very hard to come by at the moment, sir guy porteous and right of appeal tick many boxes but not quite enough to qualify.

thinking about lowering the bar or perhaps running 2 systems, the same criteria as has been used so far and a looser one in tandem to see how being a bit less strict works out.

all in all a bit frustrating at present.
By:
roadrunner46
When: 12 May 14 11:21
the waiting game,im sure you will find some to fit your criteria sooner or later, have you thought about the possible bets
over a season your method or criteria will produce, realistic and more than likely ain't going to produce lot of winners.
have you got any idea of the amount of winners your criteria for picking MJ'S winners will produce?
By:
stridingedge
When: 12 May 14 12:28
as an estimate i thought beforehand i'd have 90-100 selections

most are 3/4 yr olds in class 5/6 races

just not been many of these last couple of weeks.

actually scrubbed out insaany last week because of the ground ? it qualified on everything else Devil
By:
roadrunner46
When: 12 May 14 12:45
100 selections, his average is just under 15%. how many winners would you expect to get from 100 selections and average price of the winners, minus the losers, you will have a good estimate of how many points you could  make form this thread. gl
By:
Virgin
When: 12 May 14 16:42
4.40 looks tempting Devil a/w filth Laugh
By:
stridingedge
When: 12 May 14 16:43
sire is good

had lots of tries though and not really trip change or anything to get excited about Confused
By:
Virgin
When: 12 May 14 16:46
poor race laid the fav as well ...
By:
Virgin
When: 12 May 14 16:46
Sad
By:
Virgin
When: 12 May 14 16:46
CryCry
By:
stridingedge
When: 12 May 14 16:48
sir guy porteous in the next the main one i was worried about leaving today

SDS on the one at windsor later the other.
By:
stridingedge
When: 12 May 14 16:49
if SGP just races a bit less free they might struggle to get past it
By:
stridingedge
When: 12 May 14 16:51
zain zone in my tracker

left it Shocked
By:
stridingedge
When: 12 May 14 16:54
ouch CryCryCry
By:
stridingedge
When: 13 May 14 11:59
ground an obvious concern for these today, most of MJ's are undoubtedly a lot better on faster going...

4:30 beverley emaad currently 5.7
5:35 beverley dry your eyes 4.7
By:
Virgin
When: 13 May 14 17:39
Cool
By:
stridingedge
When: 13 May 14 17:40
    date        race time        selection        early price        BFSP        price diff        placing        race p&l        p&l total        ROI   
                                                                               
    16:04:14        3:40 beverley        handwoven        5.80        8.00        37.93        3/10        -10.00        -10.00        -100.00   
    16:04:14        4:15 beverley        blue atlantic        3.80        4.79        26.05        =1/8        13.25        3.25        16.26   
    16:04:14        5:25 beverley        beylerby        9.20        16.00        73.91        6/7        -10.00        -6.75        -22.49   
    18:04:14        1:45 lingfield        aryal        9.00        9.10        1.11        4/11        -10.00        -16.75        -41.87   
    18:04:14        3:15 musselburgh        special meaning        6.20        7.20        16.13        3/12        -10.00        -26.75        -53.50   
    18:04:14        3:30 lingfield        hounting ground        7.40        7.45        0.68        12/14        -10.00        -36.75        -61.25   
    18:04:14        3:30 lingfield        blue wave        11.50        8.02        -30.26        8/14        -10.00        -46.75        -66.78   
    18:04:14        3:50 musselburgh        almargo        10.00        14.00        40.00        4/12        -10.00        -56.75        -70.93   
    20:04:14        3:05 musselburgh        spin artist        13.00        13.50        3.85        8/11        -10.00        -66.75        -74.16   
    20:04:14        3:35 musselburgh        sir frank morgan        9.40        22.38        138.09        4/9        -10.00        -76.75        -76.75   
    20:04:14        4:35 musselburgh        sir guy porteous        4.20        4.41        5.00        2/7        -10.00        -86.75        -78.86   
    23:04:14        3:05 catterick        little shambles        12.50        16.82        34.56        1/6        150.29        63.54        52.95   
    24:04:14        4:30 beverley        opera fan        3.80        3.95        3.95        1/6        28.03        91.57        70.44   
    04:05:14        4:45 hamilton        aryal        11.00        9.80        -10.91        7/7        -10.00        81.57        58.26   
    13:05:14        5:35 beverley        dry your eyes        4.70        6.40        36.17        1/9        51.30        132.87        88.58   



the other selection emaad was a nr
By:
breadnbutter
When: 13 May 14 19:01
thats good tipping ....respect .
By:
stridingedge
When: 16 May 14 14:12
a difficult day plenty are either too short or just don't qualify so a high chance of missing the winners today...

4:00 newmarket heavy metal 21.0
4:10 newbury notarised 5.3
7:00 hamilton loud 13.0
By:
Art Decko
When: 16 May 14 22:08
I haven't read all the way through the thread, but I can definitely say this ... if you back all the Mark Johnston runners which start in double figures (ie 10 or higher) and subsequently lay them in running ( at whatever point you feel comfortable with) ...you will win.

I have been doing this for years ...it's a no-brainer.
By:
stridingedge
When: 17 May 14 00:31
    date        race time        selection        early price        BFSP        price diff        placing        race p&l        p&l total        ROI   
                                                                               
    16:04:14        3:40 beverley        handwoven        5.80        8.00        37.93        3/10        -10.00        -10.00        -100.00   
    16:04:14        4:15 beverley        blue atlantic        3.80        4.79        26.05        =1/8        13.25        3.25        16.26   
    16:04:14        5:25 beverley        beylerby        9.20        16.00        73.91        6/7        -10.00        -6.75        -22.49   
    18:04:14        1:45 lingfield        aryal        9.00        9.10        1.11        4/11        -10.00        -16.75        -41.87   
    18:04:14        3:15 musselburgh        special meaning        6.20        7.20        16.13        3/12        -10.00        -26.75        -53.50   
    18:04:14        3:30 lingfield        hounting ground        7.40        7.45        0.68        12/14        -10.00        -36.75        -61.25   
    18:04:14        3:30 lingfield        blue wave        11.50        8.02        -30.26        8/14        -10.00        -46.75        -66.78   
    18:04:14        3:50 musselburgh        almargo        10.00        14.00        40.00        4/12        -10.00        -56.75        -70.93   
    20:04:14        3:05 musselburgh        spin artist        13.00        13.50        3.85        8/11        -10.00        -66.75        -74.16   
    20:04:14        3:35 musselburgh        sir frank morgan        9.40        22.38        138.09        4/9        -10.00        -76.75        -76.75   
    20:04:14        4:35 musselburgh        sir guy porteous        4.20        4.41        5.00        2/7        -10.00        -86.75        -78.86   
    23:04:14        3:05 catterick        little shambles        12.50        16.82        34.56        1/6        150.29        63.54        52.95   
    24:04:14        4:30 beverley        opera fan        3.80        3.95        3.95        1/6        28.03        91.57        70.44   
    04:05:14        4:45 hamilton        aryal        11.00        9.80        -10.91        7/7        -10.00        81.57        58.26   
    13:05:14        5:35 beverley        dry your eyes        4.70        6.40        36.17        1/9        51.30        132.87        88.58   
    16:05:14        4:00 newmarket (row)        heavy metal        21.00        24.08        14.67        9/9        -10.00        122.87        76.79   
    16:05:14        4:10 newbury        notarised        5.30        4.61        -13.02        3/8        -10.00        112.87        66.39   
    16:05:14        7:00 hamilton        loud        13.00        18.74        44.15        6/8        -10.00        102.87        57.15   
By:
biccieannacuppatea
When: 17 May 14 04:18
Prepare for the next day that laying Johnston horses at double-figure odds scheme goes wrong then, Art Decko. If you've been doing it for years, you must've been pretty out of pocket after Goodwood's 2012 Festival. Hurricane Higgins, Sir Graham Wade, Landaman, Heavy Metal, and Fulbright were all available at double-figures prior to the off in each of their respective races (bar Fulbright who started at 8's). Hope you've got a contingency plan when it goes awry, because one day soon, it will. No-brainer indeed.
By:
Art Decko
When: 17 May 14 12:32
You appear not to have fully grasped what I am saying, bicciecupoftea ... I backed all these winners at Goodwood, and laid them off at a much shorter price in running, and ended up with a very nice profit, thank you.

Obviously if I hadn't laid them off in running I would have won even more, but over the long haul, back-to-lay is the way to go with these long priced Johnston horses.

I have spent a considerable amount of time compiling an Access  database of all the Johnston runners going back for some years, and am able to run queries which tell me what is the optimum price to enter a lay bet at in order to maximise long term profit.

On reflection, you were right, it isn't a no-brainer ...
By:
stridingedge
When: 19 May 14 13:53
this one was very borderline today but scored just about enough pts on my ratings criteria. either runs a huge race or a complete stinker imo. trip should be bang on, don't think pontefract suited (has been well beaten there both runs now. raced very awkwardly previously at lingfield running away from the bend and having to be ridden early wide to try and keep a position. last chance saloon today back right handed on a more galloping track over a trip that should suit on hcp debut. the mdn at musselburgh last october when narrowly beat at 40/1 had a team of 3 runners from MJ and the other 2 have won hcps off marks in the mid/high 60's now.plenty of authorized progeny like a bit of cut,but MS seemed to handle fast ground when encountering it in the musselburgh race last term.

running out of excuses for this one if it can't run a big race here.

8:45 leicester mambo rhythm 13.0
By:
nellie1970
When: 19 May 14 14:05
all his horses seem to be running poorly at the moment.exception was his 2 year old at ripon sunday stumbled when well backed finished 3rd
By:
stridingedge
When: 19 May 14 14:17
yes but there are always quiet spells in my experience and then all of a sudden you can see a spree of winners from nothing.

this happens every season a few times

plenty of his newmarket runners ran ok on saturday
By:
nellie1970
When: 19 May 14 14:31
agree has a cluster of winners from nowhere
By:
stridingedge
When: 19 May 14 20:52
    date        race time        selection        early price        BFSP        price diff        placing        race p&l        p&l total        ROI   
                                                                               
    16:04:14        3:40 beverley        handwoven        5.80        8.00        37.93        3/10        -10.00        -10.00        -100.00   
    16:04:14        4:15 beverley        blue atlantic        3.80        4.79        26.05        =1/8        13.25        3.25        16.26   
    16:04:14        5:25 beverley        beylerby        9.20        16.00        73.91        6/7        -10.00        -6.75        -22.49   
    18:04:14        1:45 lingfield        aryal        9.00        9.10        1.11        4/11        -10.00        -16.75        -41.87   
    18:04:14        3:15 musselburgh        special meaning        6.20        7.20        16.13        3/12        -10.00        -26.75        -53.50   
    18:04:14        3:30 lingfield        hounting ground        7.40        7.45        0.68        12/14        -10.00        -36.75        -61.25   
    18:04:14        3:30 lingfield        blue wave        11.50        8.02        -30.26        8/14        -10.00        -46.75        -66.78   
    18:04:14        3:50 musselburgh        almargo        10.00        14.00        40.00        4/12        -10.00        -56.75        -70.93   
    20:04:14        3:05 musselburgh        spin artist        13.00        13.50        3.85        8/11        -10.00        -66.75        -74.16   
    20:04:14        3:35 musselburgh        sir frank morgan        9.40        22.38        138.09        4/9        -10.00        -76.75        -76.75   
    20:04:14        4:35 musselburgh        sir guy porteous        4.20        4.41        5.00        2/7        -10.00        -86.75        -78.86   
    23:04:14        3:05 catterick        little shambles        12.50        16.82        34.56        1/6        150.29        63.54        52.95   
    24:04:14        4:30 beverley        opera fan        3.80        3.95        3.95        1/6        28.03        91.57        70.44   
    04:05:14        4:45 hamilton        aryal        11.00        9.80        -10.91        7/7        -10.00        81.57        58.26   
    13:05:14        5:35 beverley        dry your eyes        4.70        6.40        36.17        1/9        51.30        132.87        88.58   
    16:05:14        4:00 newmarket (row)        heavy metal        21.00        24.08        14.67        9/9        -10.00        122.87        76.79   
    16:05:14        4:10 newbury        notarised        5.30        4.61        -13.02        3/8        -10.00        112.87        66.39   
    19:05:14        8:45 leicester        mambo rhythm        13.00        9.11        -29.92        3/7        -10.00        102.87        57.15   


ran a better race but one paced before keeping on in 3rd.
By:
stridingedge
When: 23 May 14 12:53
6:40 musselburgh bahamian art 7.0 (a selection if sp remains 6.0 or bigger)
7:00 pontefract aryal 16.5
7:40 musselburgh travel 15.5
8:30 pontefract power up 9.0
By:
stridingedge
When: 24 May 14 10:00
    date        race time        selection        early price        BFSP        price diff        placing        race p&l        p&l total        ROI   
                                                                               
    16:04:14        3:40 beverley        handwoven        5.80        8.00        37.93        3/10        -10.00        -10.00        -100.00   
    16:04:14        4:15 beverley        blue atlantic        3.80        4.79        26.05        =1/8        13.25        3.25        16.26   
    16:04:14        5:25 beverley        beylerby        9.20        16.00        73.91        6/7        -10.00        -6.75        -22.49   
    18:04:14        1:45 lingfield        aryal        9.00        9.10        1.11        4/11        -10.00        -16.75        -41.87   
    18:04:14        3:15 musselburgh        special meaning        6.20        7.20        16.13        3/12        -10.00        -26.75        -53.50   
    18:04:14        3:30 lingfield        hounting ground        7.40        7.45        0.68        12/14        -10.00        -36.75        -61.25   
    18:04:14        3:30 lingfield        blue wave        11.50        8.02        -30.26        8/14        -10.00        -46.75        -66.78   
    18:04:14        3:50 musselburgh        almargo        10.00        14.00        40.00        4/12        -10.00        -56.75        -70.93   
    20:04:14        3:05 musselburgh        spin artist        13.00        13.50        3.85        8/11        -10.00        -66.75        -74.16   
    20:04:14        3:35 musselburgh        sir frank morgan        9.40        22.38        138.09        4/9        -10.00        -76.75        -76.75   
    20:04:14        4:35 musselburgh        sir guy porteous        4.20        4.41        5.00        2/7        -10.00        -86.75        -78.86   
    23:04:14        3:05 catterick        little shambles        12.50        16.82        34.56        1/6        150.29        63.54        52.95   
    24:04:14        4:30 beverley        opera fan        3.80        3.95        3.95        1/6        28.03        91.57        70.44   
    04:05:14        4:45 hamilton        aryal        11.00        9.80        -10.91        7/7        -10.00        81.57        58.26   
    13:05:14        5:35 beverley        dry your eyes        4.70        6.40        36.17        1/9        51.30        132.87        88.58   
    16:05:14        4:00 newmarket (row)        heavy metal        21.00        24.08        14.67        9/9        -10.00        122.87        76.79   
    16:05:14        4:10 newbury        notarised        5.30        4.61        -13.02        3/8        -10.00        112.87        66.39   
    19:05:14        8:45 leicester        mambo rhythm        13.00        9.11        -29.92        3/7        -10.00        102.87        57.15   
    23:05:14        6:40 musselburgh        bahamian art        7.00        7.00        0.00        5/5        -10.00        92.87        48.88   
    23:05:14        7:40 musselburgh        travel        15.50        13.50        -12.90        7/8        -10.00        82.87        41.43   
    23:05:14        8:30 pontefract        power up        9.00        6.60        -26.67        6/7        -10.00        72.87        34.70   


other selection aryal a nr yesterday

a poor friday, will be cutting back on aw winners not proven on turf and relaxing the track bias which has been too high when other factors have been right (too many winners have slipped through).

surprisingly no selections today with beverley and catterick tracks that are right up there for finding winners.
By:
stridingedge
When: 28 May 14 12:14
having a real headache with he 6:30 race at beverley, bureau ticks every box and would be an obvious selection if the ground were faster.

overall halling stats for MJ win 49-199 (25%) £27.04 places 84 (42%)

on good/firm

win 23-59 (39%) £48.05 places 32 (54%)

this regresses to soft or worse

wins 0-10 (0%) places 1 (10%)

in the entire sample there is no doubt the majority of MJ horses appreciate better ground and in this race his other runner will definitely go on the ground but isn't as strong on the other criteria though is quite strong in its own right Cry

am really waiting for some sustained dry weather when i'd expect some sprees of winners as the ground gets faster, it's been quite frustrating recently.

really don't know what to do here, i'm hoping he pulls bureau out tbh
By:
stridingedge
When: 28 May 14 12:22
head ache over beverley abandoned Shocked

don't like pigeon pie at an extended mile and zanouska was a border line yes/no, at price decided to leave today.

just hope this weather is not a sign of how the summer is going to pan out Devil
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 28 May 14 12:32
Mambo Rhythm, relativeky disappointing again at Redcar after a better run at Leicester, when not looking the easiest. There was a good suggestion from the RP analyst after the Leicester run, given the good record of Authorized's progeny in a hood, she wants trying in one!
By:
stridingedge
When: 28 May 14 12:47
shows a profit visored ft george, hasn't stuck the hood on one yet!
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 28 May 14 12:54
Shocked I'll send him one in the post with a note attached to stick it on MR the next time she runs Silly

Do you have the stats for Authorized's progeny first time in a hood, striding?
By:
stridingedge
When: 28 May 14 13:04
overall

Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
98  20  20.41%    35.43 41    41.84%     


fto

Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
25  4    16%      14.50 10    40%       
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 28 May 14 13:09
Thanks Striding
By:
stridingedge
When: 28 May 14 13:11
no worries george Wink
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