the mark johnston thread 2014 - turf

all his horses seem to be running poorly at the moment.exception was his 2 year old at ripon sunday stumbled when well backed finished 3rd

yes but there are always quiet spells in my experience and then all of a sudden you can see a spree of winners from nothing.

this happens every season a few times

plenty of his newmarket runners ran ok on saturday

agree has a cluster of winners from nowhere

date	race time	selection	early price	BFSP	price diff	placing	race p&l	p&l total	ROI
16:04:14	3:40 beverley	handwoven	5.80	8.00	37.93	3/10	-10.00	-10.00	-100.00
16:04:14	4:15 beverley	blue atlantic	3.80	4.79	26.05	=1/8	13.25	3.25	16.26
16:04:14	5:25 beverley	beylerby	9.20	16.00	73.91	6/7	-10.00	-6.75	-22.49
18:04:14	1:45 lingfield	aryal	9.00	9.10	1.11	4/11	-10.00	-16.75	-41.87
18:04:14	3:15 musselburgh	special meaning	6.20	7.20	16.13	3/12	-10.00	-26.75	-53.50
18:04:14	3:30 lingfield	hounting ground	7.40	7.45	0.68	12/14	-10.00	-36.75	-61.25
18:04:14	3:30 lingfield	blue wave	11.50	8.02	-30.26	8/14	-10.00	-46.75	-66.78
18:04:14	3:50 musselburgh	almargo	10.00	14.00	40.00	4/12	-10.00	-56.75	-70.93
20:04:14	3:05 musselburgh	spin artist	13.00	13.50	3.85	8/11	-10.00	-66.75	-74.16
20:04:14	3:35 musselburgh	sir frank morgan	9.40	22.38	138.09	4/9	-10.00	-76.75	-76.75
20:04:14	4:35 musselburgh	sir guy porteous	4.20	4.41	5.00	2/7	-10.00	-86.75	-78.86
23:04:14	3:05 catterick	little shambles	12.50	16.82	34.56	1/6	150.29	63.54	52.95
24:04:14	4:30 beverley	opera fan	3.80	3.95	3.95	1/6	28.03	91.57	70.44
04:05:14	4:45 hamilton	aryal	11.00	9.80	-10.91	7/7	-10.00	81.57	58.26
13:05:14	5:35 beverley	dry your eyes	4.70	6.40	36.17	1/9	51.30	132.87	88.58
16:05:14	4:00 newmarket (row)	heavy metal	21.00	24.08	14.67	9/9	-10.00	122.87	76.79
16:05:14	4:10 newbury	notarised	5.30	4.61	-13.02	3/8	-10.00	112.87	66.39
19:05:14	8:45 leicester	mambo rhythm	13.00	9.11	-29.92	3/7	-10.00	102.87	57.15

ran a better race but one paced before keeping on in 3rd.

6:40 musselburgh bahamian art 7.0 (a selection if sp remains 6.0 or bigger)
7:00 pontefract aryal 16.5
7:40 musselburgh travel 15.5
8:30 pontefract power up 9.0

date	race time	selection	early price	BFSP	price diff	placing	race p&l	p&l total	ROI
16:04:14	3:40 beverley	handwoven	5.80	8.00	37.93	3/10	-10.00	-10.00	-100.00
16:04:14	4:15 beverley	blue atlantic	3.80	4.79	26.05	=1/8	13.25	3.25	16.26
16:04:14	5:25 beverley	beylerby	9.20	16.00	73.91	6/7	-10.00	-6.75	-22.49
18:04:14	1:45 lingfield	aryal	9.00	9.10	1.11	4/11	-10.00	-16.75	-41.87
18:04:14	3:15 musselburgh	special meaning	6.20	7.20	16.13	3/12	-10.00	-26.75	-53.50
18:04:14	3:30 lingfield	hounting ground	7.40	7.45	0.68	12/14	-10.00	-36.75	-61.25
18:04:14	3:30 lingfield	blue wave	11.50	8.02	-30.26	8/14	-10.00	-46.75	-66.78
18:04:14	3:50 musselburgh	almargo	10.00	14.00	40.00	4/12	-10.00	-56.75	-70.93
20:04:14	3:05 musselburgh	spin artist	13.00	13.50	3.85	8/11	-10.00	-66.75	-74.16
20:04:14	3:35 musselburgh	sir frank morgan	9.40	22.38	138.09	4/9	-10.00	-76.75	-76.75
20:04:14	4:35 musselburgh	sir guy porteous	4.20	4.41	5.00	2/7	-10.00	-86.75	-78.86
23:04:14	3:05 catterick	little shambles	12.50	16.82	34.56	1/6	150.29	63.54	52.95
24:04:14	4:30 beverley	opera fan	3.80	3.95	3.95	1/6	28.03	91.57	70.44
04:05:14	4:45 hamilton	aryal	11.00	9.80	-10.91	7/7	-10.00	81.57	58.26
13:05:14	5:35 beverley	dry your eyes	4.70	6.40	36.17	1/9	51.30	132.87	88.58
16:05:14	4:00 newmarket (row)	heavy metal	21.00	24.08	14.67	9/9	-10.00	122.87	76.79
16:05:14	4:10 newbury	notarised	5.30	4.61	-13.02	3/8	-10.00	112.87	66.39
19:05:14	8:45 leicester	mambo rhythm	13.00	9.11	-29.92	3/7	-10.00	102.87	57.15
23:05:14	6:40 musselburgh	bahamian art	7.00	7.00	0.00	5/5	-10.00	92.87	48.88
23:05:14	7:40 musselburgh	travel	15.50	13.50	-12.90	7/8	-10.00	82.87	41.43
23:05:14	8:30 pontefract	power up	9.00	6.60	-26.67	6/7	-10.00	72.87	34.70

other selection aryal a nr yesterday

a poor friday, will be cutting back on aw winners not proven on turf and relaxing the track bias which has been too high when other factors have been right (too many winners have slipped through).

surprisingly no selections today with beverley and catterick tracks that are right up there for finding winners.

having a real headache with he 6:30 race at beverley, bureau ticks every box and would be an obvious selection if the ground were faster.

overall halling stats for MJ win 49-199 (25%) £27.04 places 84 (42%)

on good/firm

win 23-59 (39%) £48.05 places 32 (54%)

this regresses to soft or worse

wins 0-10 (0%) places 1 (10%)

in the entire sample there is no doubt the majority of MJ horses appreciate better ground and in this race his other runner will definitely go on the ground but isn't as strong on the other criteria though is quite strong in its own right

am really waiting for some sustained dry weather when i'd expect some sprees of winners as the ground gets faster, it's been quite frustrating recently.

really don't know what to do here, i'm hoping he pulls bureau out tbh

head ache over beverley abandoned

don't like pigeon pie at an extended mile and zanouska was a border line yes/no, at price decided to leave today.

just hope this weather is not a sign of how the summer is going to pan out

Mambo Rhythm, relativeky disappointing again at Redcar after a better run at Leicester, when not looking the easiest. There was a good suggestion from the RP analyst after the Leicester run, given the good record of Authorized's progeny in a hood, she wants trying in one!

shows a profit visored ft george, hasn't stuck the hood on one yet!

I'll send him one in the post with a note attached to stick it on MR the next time she runs

Do you have the stats for Authorized's progeny first time in a hood, striding?

overall

Bets	Wins	WinStrike	SP_PL	Places	PlaceStrike
98	20	20.41%	35.43	41	41.84%

fto

Bets	Wins	WinStrike	SP_PL	Places	PlaceStrike
25	4	16%	14.50	10	40%

Thanks Striding

no worries george

3:50 southwell zanouska 4.4 (selection if > or =3.5)
4:50 southwell rainbow rock 3.9 (selection if > or =3.5)

7:55 kempton travel 10.5 (selection if > or =7.0)

zanouska ran into an appleby but ran with credit for runners up spot (was stuffed by winner!) after a huge drift

rainbow rock runs into another appleby winner, done by a whisker, but betfair SP 3.0 not a qualifier

You missed one today but also see you are back on the A/W? Wouldn't waste my money on tonights though imo!

i have done a few on the aw because someone moaned about me taking them out when i wanted flat only.

i did miss a winner indeed today

travel is given a final chance as its either completely gone at the game or is a far better prospect on the aw, it was doing ok but has hardly gone a yard on turf.

dummy  well lubricated and ready for ejection imo .

breadnbutter     05 Jun 14 19:10 
dummy  well lubricated and ready for ejection imo .



sorry but at least if you want to make a point make it clearly

travel ran a much better race there, even looked like it was coming to win (1.24 in running) but didn't  go past the leaders once getting near on the outside.

Nice try though

date	race time	selection	early price	BFSP	price diff	placing	race p&l	p&l total	ROI
16:04:14	3:40 beverley	handwoven	5.80	8.00	37.93	3/10	-10.00	-10.00	-100.00
16:04:14	4:15 beverley	blue atlantic	3.80	4.79	26.05	=1/8	13.25	3.25	16.26
16:04:14	5:25 beverley	beylerby	9.20	16.00	73.91	6/7	-10.00	-6.75	-22.49
18:04:14	1:45 lingfield	aryal	9.00	9.10	1.11	4/11	-10.00	-16.75	-41.87
18:04:14	3:15 musselburgh	special meaning	6.20	7.20	16.13	3/12	-10.00	-26.75	-53.50
18:04:14	3:30 lingfield	hounting ground	7.40	7.45	0.68	12/14	-10.00	-36.75	-61.25
18:04:14	3:30 lingfield	blue wave	11.50	8.02	-30.26	8/14	-10.00	-46.75	-66.78
18:04:14	3:50 musselburgh	almargo	10.00	14.00	40.00	4/12	-10.00	-56.75	-70.93
20:04:14	3:05 musselburgh	spin artist	13.00	13.50	3.85	8/11	-10.00	-66.75	-74.16
20:04:14	3:35 musselburgh	sir frank morgan	9.40	22.38	138.09	4/9	-10.00	-76.75	-76.75
20:04:14	4:35 musselburgh	sir guy porteous	4.20	4.41	5.00	2/7	-10.00	-86.75	-78.86
23:04:14	3:05 catterick	little shambles	12.50	16.82	34.56	1/6	150.29	63.54	52.95
24:04:14	4:30 beverley	opera fan	3.80	3.95	3.95	1/6	28.03	91.57	70.44
04:05:14	4:45 hamilton	aryal	11.00	9.80	-10.91	7/7	-10.00	81.57	58.26
13:05:14	5:35 beverley	dry your eyes	4.70	6.40	36.17	1/9	51.30	132.87	88.58
16:05:14	4:00 newmarket (row)	heavy metal	21.00	24.08	14.67	9/9	-10.00	122.87	76.79
16:05:14	4:10 newbury	notarised	5.30	4.61	-13.02	3/8	-10.00	112.87	66.39
19:05:14	8:45 leicester	mambo rhythm	13.00	9.11	-29.92	3/7	-10.00	102.87	57.15
23:05:14	6:40 musselburgh	bahamian art	7.00	7.00	0.00	5/5	-10.00	92.87	48.88
23:05:14	7:40 musselburgh	travel	15.50	13.50	-12.90	7/8	-10.00	82.87	41.43
23:05:14	8:30 pontefract	power up	9.00	6.60	-26.67	6/7	-10.00	72.87	34.70
05:06:14	3:50 southwell	zanouska	4.40	10.00	127.27	2/5	-10.00	62.87	28.58
05:06:14	7:55 kempton	travel	10.50	18.71	78.19	4/12	-10.00	52.87	22.99

the disappointing run continues, no one said this was going to be easy , we'll just keep going and see what happens.

Sorry - But have not read through all the thread - and I will stand to be corrected if I have misinterpreted the scenario - BUT - It looks like ...

In your attempt to catch his Winners - or, Not miss a Winner ...

You can only end up BACKING a (hell of) a lot of his BAD LOSERS.

there will be a lot of bad losers, a lot of his are tailed off

i have said on here i am really after good fast ground and there has been little of that about the last few weeks!

certainly not time to throw in the towel

There will be a lot of winners over the next few weeks also! Good luck

don't really like the handicappers at goodwood, of course some of these perfectly capable of bouncing back to form at prices but they don't fit with what i'm after.

senockian star would be the most interesting, course form an obvious huge plus at epsom but gut feeling is it's just a shade too high now in the weights, though certainly wouldn't be surprised with a big run.

the mdn at goodwood this evening sees a horse that totally flopped on debut when very well fancied at ayr on tacky ground. MJ has good record with once raced 2yo mdns at the track, fanning is 4/7 since 2003 on these types and one of these was beaten over 30l on debut.

so

6:35 goodwood jungle cat 15.5 (if > or = 13.0)

this to me would be worth a punt at these sort of odds.

obviously well aware this could flop completely again but that's going to be the gauntlet i'm running on plenty of his runners.

*don't like the handicappers at epsom (not goodwood!)

will drop the qualifying price to 11.6 after the nr deduction

another winner missed

and the worst thing is i put it up on here at musselburgh

now its won i can remember that run and how it was using up too much over a mile before fading late

2 soft ground runs, 5lb lower and in it scoots

jungle cat is now 7.6

this would top off an awful spell if this goes in

was 15.5 this morning when i put it up

price i wanted well gone

OMFG

i am so upset

those Johnson horses have broke a lot of hearts and banks, never touch them

You shouldnt worry bout the prices imo and both todays winners were nice big prices last night / this morning ... SP's Are worse than odds obtainable if you get on early enough and keep a record as proof

lesson learned ashmal

had a horrible feeling all day when i saw the price being taken down

the theory was great

the execution abysmal

learned a couple of lessons today!

Let's see if you can find tmrw's fancied runners

have to speculate to accumulate, your on to a good thing here, you have to make more bets, you missed a winner last week that had
won in the same grade of race and over the same distance LTO, yet you never selected it for a bet, horse was called ISAANY gl
good selection today

i have missed that horse all the way along roadrunner the 7f -10f up in trip in itself was worth a play on its first win, i didn't select because of ground

almargo today, if i'd put it in tracker would have been selected as looking back at it i remember it vividly.

he has so many horses i am not going to remember them all even if at the time i think i am!

the importance i have weighted certain criteria has definitely changed recently and keeping notes on each runner is absolutely essential.

a steap learning curve

*steep

I enjoy the thread as I hinted many years ago that 12/1 plus were the way to go with them and also was the first to highlight the cause of the rapeseed fields were having on his consistency

Spilt milk Striding

You got the winner
Will tinkering help ?

Striding - you seem to have found a promising selection methodology however it sounds as though you are also applying judgement to the selections it throws up one of which is price. Unless you are very good at compiling a tissue (which I am not) or your criteria rank the selections in terms of % chance this will definately result in winners being missed. Is a horse really a bet at 10/1 but not at 8/1 there may be people who are that good at odds compiling but not many. I know that many on here will say that price is everything but that is only true in so much as you need to be backing horses at greater odds than their true chance whether that be 20/1 or 1/10 if your selection criteria identify horses that are available at greater than their true odds then over the long term you will obviously win.

I would suggest running a test removing any SP criteria and just  backing all of the qualifiers regardless of price to see if that produces a profit - if you can show a profit at SP then your criteria really do have potential.

I know this suggestion will cause ridicule in some quarters as there is a general belief that it is not possible to make a profit at SP but I believe that it is as long as you are identifying horses that for whatever reason are underbet by the majority of punters

Best of luck

Jungle cat may well turn out to be a group horse..

thanks for the comments guys, i agree pins about not worrying about the prices, there will be no more restrictions.

a lot of runners today, 5 in the edinburgh cup at musselburgh, he won it in 2012 with 5 runners (scatter dice 16/1) but i certainly wouldn't like to choose which of his will head the pecking order today.

staying at musselburgh the one i am interested in today is in the race before. king of macedon now has every chance of appreciating a mile imo. two respectable efforts on turf as a 2yo, winning a 6f mdn on debut and then staying on after a slow start at catterick over 7f when 2nd to ventura quest off 79 in a nursery.

3 runs so far as a 3yo, 6f at windsor was probably too sharp now and then a no show after a slow start at york in a better race (a race where it paid as is often the case there to be up with the pace). the last effort at haydock (7f) was much more encouraging, away better this time but always looking just a bit short of pace before keeping on to the finish, the effort suggested a bit of juice in the ground should hold no fears.

the horse runs off 78 today and is worth a chance up to a mile for the first time, fanning has a decent record at the track with 3yo hcps for MJ and this one can hopefully get us back on the winning trail. obviously if the rains come and the ground deteriorates this becomes a more risky proposition so hope any rain arrives later.

2:55 musselburgh king of macedon 11.5

another good 2yo winner at donny

assault on rome  24.9

not even fancied on debut (20/1) bt 10l

all the way win

some good yard sticks 5/6f and still allowed to win at a price

^ But what good has that done you, though? -

As that's another one that you have 'let run loose', then.

what is your problem onlooker, seriously ?

very negative

how many like that in mdns will i be backing iyo to try and catch a winner like that

fair enough give me something constructive but jeez

I already posted, "something constructive," - when I said ...

"This fella will drive you barmy"

- and - a prophetic ...

" It must be a 'stomach-churning' exercise, day in day out"

- Anyway - good luck to you

it is tough onlooker but it would be doing this for any trainer.

i have an approach based on his past behaviours in different circumstances when they appear to have yielded results better than the norm.

tbh i have been re ranking the importance of some of these in recent weeks as sometimes their is an obvious clash of these behaviours. some of the factors i had of great importance have turned out not to be so and  some of the core principles have remained solid.

i am trying to do something hard and have plenty to learn, but i like a challenge

gl to you too

*sometimes there is an obvious clash

wrong one

Enjoyable reading striding but the conclusion is what we already knew, that it is impossible to read this stable

You must be some kind of philanthropist - or, more like,  MASOCHIST

A Johnston 25.0 chance - beats YOUR Johnston SELECTION

STREWTH ! - striding - as I posted ...

"stomach-churning."

unlucky strid

be careful this man will lead you to the padded cell .

date	race time	selection	early price	BFSP	price diff	placing	race p&l	p&l total	ROI
16:04:14	3:40 beverley	handwoven	5.80	8.00	37.93	3/10	-10.00	-10.00	-100.00
16:04:14	4:15 beverley	blue atlantic	3.80	4.79	26.05	=1/8	13.25	3.25	16.26
16:04:14	5:25 beverley	beylerby	9.20	16.00	73.91	6/7	-10.00	-6.75	-22.49
18:04:14	1:45 lingfield	aryal	9.00	9.10	1.11	4/11	-10.00	-16.75	-41.87
18:04:14	3:15 musselburgh	special meaning	6.20	7.20	16.13	3/12	-10.00	-26.75	-53.50
18:04:14	3:30 lingfield	hounting ground	7.40	7.45	0.68	12/14	-10.00	-36.75	-61.25
18:04:14	3:30 lingfield	blue wave	11.50	8.02	-30.26	8/14	-10.00	-46.75	-66.78
18:04:14	3:50 musselburgh	almargo	10.00	14.00	40.00	4/12	-10.00	-56.75	-70.93
20:04:14	3:05 musselburgh	spin artist	13.00	13.50	3.85	8/11	-10.00	-66.75	-74.16
20:04:14	3:35 musselburgh	sir frank morgan	9.40	22.38	138.09	4/9	-10.00	-76.75	-76.75
20:04:14	4:35 musselburgh	sir guy porteous	4.20	4.41	5.00	2/7	-10.00	-86.75	-78.86
23:04:14	3:05 catterick	little shambles	12.50	16.82	34.56	1/6	150.29	63.54	52.95
24:04:14	4:30 beverley	opera fan	3.80	3.95	3.95	1/6	28.03	91.57	70.44
04:05:14	4:45 hamilton	aryal	11.00	9.80	-10.91	7/7	-10.00	81.57	58.26
13:05:14	5:35 beverley	dry your eyes	4.70	6.40	36.17	1/9	51.30	132.87	88.58
16:05:14	4:00 newmarket (row)	heavy metal	21.00	24.08	14.67	9/9	-10.00	122.87	76.79
16:05:14	4:10 newbury	notarised	5.30	4.61	-13.02	3/8	-10.00	112.87	66.39
19:05:14	8:45 leicester	mambo rhythm	13.00	9.11	-29.92	3/7	-10.00	102.87	57.15
23:05:14	6:40 musselburgh	bahamian art	7.00	7.00	0.00	5/5	-10.00	92.87	48.88
23:05:14	7:40 musselburgh	travel	15.50	13.50	-12.90	7/8	-10.00	82.87	41.43
23:05:14	8:30 pontefract	power up	9.00	6.60	-26.67	6/7	-10.00	72.87	34.70
05:06:14	3:50 southwell	zanouska	4.40	10.00	127.27	2/5	-10.00	62.87	28.58
05:06:14	7:55 kempton	travel	10.50	18.71	78.19	4/12	-10.00	52.87	22.99
17:06:14	2:55 musselburgh	king of macedon	11.50	9.77	-15.04	2/8	-10.00	42.87	17.86

perhaps you are right onlooker

this could drive me bonkers

oh well it's providing some entertainment if nothing else

You sure you dont want to look for another one possibly two winners today?

he's hit one of his sprees ash hasn't he

two 20 plus winners today

The month is flying by

17th already

i couldn't choose between his 5 in the next

hi virgin

trying times on here mate

Need to see his betting slip on days like this

cheers just noticed the date

i'll change it next time

PS date check on your table

the jockeys changed horses from last time

and the one with the much better record at the track on his 3yo's makes all and romps in (i just didn't think it was as likely a stayer)!)

*the one with the better record is 2nd i meant behind the make all stablemate

Blue Atlantic?....

the lay off worried me hal

probably scoots up and they say its best fresh

put this one up at beverley when it won but not seen since, just a bit of a ?? for me.

Stable appear to have hit form ....  I'm a backer !

gl mate

its funny a few days ago there was a thread saying the yard was in the doldrums

always has sprees and my theory is that as the ground gets better you tend to get more of theses sprees.

he does get winners on soft but the record in general is significantly better on faster ground.

Not that one Hal.. Stride spot on re ground there has been fook all wrong with the horses as most people guess / assume!!

well i am backing fannings in the cup with a saver on m.j. murphys mount

lets see what happens

Blue Atlantic started off this thread, and it's one of five MJ has in the next at Muss. At 20/1

Cheers Ash, have backed LAY in @ 5s !

fannings getting backed here

i had notarised and master of finance just ahead of the others

perhaps this is fannings 3yo there today

Blue Atlantic now 36 on here - i'll be gutted if this gets placed - at 9 (9 ffs!)

Looks like they should have the first five!

Mark Johnston has five runners in the 3.30 and said: "Blue Atlantic has had this on his agenda for some time while you could argue that Alex My Boy has the most progressive profile.
"This looks the right trip for Swivel while Notarised is another who has done nothing wrong.
"Master Of Finance also has an each-way chance."

Libran for me

- thats where i went in the end too - to place

thank god i left that one

would have finished me off

cold ases in the mouth - all round

(ashes)

fuuk sake

master of finance done by a 42 rag (1.21 in running )

good job i layed it running or i would have ended up in nuthouse

Did you get out Hal?

No mate, I didn't get matched... but Bordino & Bartack winning making it a decent day !   

Bowt time Bordy popped up again lol .. Hopefully a winner or maybe two tonight

That's that buggrd up then Newcastle offffff

Surely - you should be thankful.

The one in the first @ Epsom... will win one of these big H'caps !   

onlooker nope not when you are on at over 11/4 Hal should have been thereabouts today but only a matter of time ...

Onlooker were you on yesterday after Newcastle's abandonment the other day lol

Stride I hope you are going to be busy this week or have you given up??

K F keeps the ride Ash... might meet Her Maj; at the presentation !     

stridingedge from another Johnston thread

if the ground ever gets bl00dy faster you'll more than likely see a string of winners rather than the sporadic ones recently.

hope you're well

He's spent the last month filling wheelbarrows!

M.J Glorious Goodwood pointers
2yo mdn 6f (odd yrs)  2 wins & 2nd from 4 races (7/2max SP)
2yo mdn 7f (even yrs) 2 wins & 2ND from 3 races  (10/3 & 14/1)
2YO mdn FILLS - IGNORE

2YO Gp3 5f No WINS (two 2nds from 3 Races)
2YO G2  6f 2 WINS & 2ND from 6 races (7/1,9/1)
2YO G2/G3 7f 2 wins from 11 races BUT win prices poor.

3YO A 8f  2 wins & 2nd from 5 races (9/2, 16/1)
3yo G3 12f 2 wins from 4 races (15/8, 7/1)

3yo+ Classified races 1 win and 4 2nds from 6 races - last win 2007
3yo+ G2 16f 5 wins from 9 races (4yo+ best) -last win 2004!
3yo+ G1 8f  IGNORE nil from 2
3yo+ G3 5f,(1 win from 2 races) 12f (0-1) 14f (1 from 3)

2yo Hcp 5f (1 from 4), 6f (2wins & two 2nds from 8 races) 7f (3-13)
S.P range 4/1 to 7/1

3yo hcp 5f (0-3), 7f (2-7), 9f (0-1)
10f (5-15) 8/1 max; 11f (1-6); 12f (3-12) ; 14f (1-6)
ignore fills against colts - just 1 winner (11f)

3yo+ Hcp
Ahcp 12f (2 wins-2 2nds, 2 3rd from 7 races) ** good place bets. but max Sp 5/1

BHcp 14 winners from 90 odd runners at distances from 8f-21f
(IGNORE 6f 7f)
8f (5 wins from 11 races IF you stick with JUST 3yo & 5yo runners)
9f (0-1)
10f (4-12) Stick with just 4 & 5yo runners
14f (3-12)
21f (4-10) Won last 2 yrs races

NOTES;
Generally only 3yo & 4yo's will win if running within 7 days

No wonder striding edge threw the towel in - Mystic Meg could not fathom this outfit out ...