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By:
ONTHEBIT
When: 31 Mar 14 18:29
If 99.9999999% of people think that the result should have stood how the hell have these numpties come to the conclusion that the result should be reversed? The BHA even issued guidelines to help stewards in their decision making. Has interference taken place...Yes. Was the interference caused by the first past the post....in my opinion, No. Is the winning distance more than the interference cost the runner up.....I don't think anyone can be certain the second would have won anyway.

Its a no brainer!!!.....Result stands.
By:
EastLower Gooner
When: 31 Mar 14 18:49
Still got no idea when he tried to come up the inside?! Unless he thought Gavin would let him through (surely not) or he thought the horse had the speed to take the gap...
By:
Dr Gonzo
When: 31 Mar 14 22:54
Exactly ELG.

If Sheehan is guilty because he took the 'wrong' line, then Twiston-Davies is equally guilty - so why should he be awarded the race?
By:
Dav_vin03
When: 31 Mar 14 23:52
how long will the appeal take?
By:
deadbrain59
When: 01 Apr 14 08:53
jockey yesterday stated, he didnt have time to switch his horse,the jockey in 3rd did?,to me he went for the gap that wasnt there,the jockey in front was blameless.
By:
geoff m
When: 01 Apr 14 09:55
he didnt have time cause he wasnt taking any notice/looking where he was going.
Twiston Davies should have been banned for 28 days for being a danger unto himself! whilst reffered for an eye test the dumbwit.
By:
dalbers
When: 01 Apr 14 10:09

Mar 31, 2014 -- 3:29PM, tilted wrote:


Yup, Spyker. I stand corrected.As you will have guessed, I strongly believe that the configuration of the course logically requires a diagonal straight course to be taken by all jockeys.IN THEORY (and I know this was not the case on Saturday)If four horses jump the last fence at Stratford in a line or two/three lengths apartA . . . . . B . . . . .C . . . . .D . . . . .with A on the inside and D nearest the stands, I would not expect the jockey on A to go in a straight line and therefore leave B, C and D nowhere to go but into the fence UNLESS they all came around him. They should all ideally pass the post with A on the inside, B one off the inside rail, C two off the rail and D closest to the stands.


You don't half talk a load of utter rubbish.

Forget any strong beliefs you have ... it's sheer common sense that the configuration of the course means any jockey challenging to the right of the leader after the last fence in a Stratford chase is choosing to run the risk of the sort of traffic problems Benbens ended up in on Saturday and so has no right to complain (even worse, benefit) when such traffic problems occur.

Never mind correcting Saturday's injustice when this case goes to its appeal, the BHA also need to bear in mind that if they let this result stand (and, therefore, set a precedent) then they're inviting even more daring manoeuvres in the future with all the potentially tragic outcomes for both horses and jockeys that such manoeuvres could produce.

By:
spyker
When: 01 Apr 14 10:53
If STD had come off would the 3rd have got the race?
By:
Dav_vin03
When: 01 Apr 14 21:46
NOT SURE SPYKER?
By:
tilted
When: 04 Apr 14 07:03
Gavin Sheehan steered a course from the inside of the fence to the outside at the line. The question is whether this a dangerous thing to do given the configuration of the track.
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 04 Apr 14 07:13
STD is the jockey who should have been cautioned. Ridiculous trying to squeeze through that gap. Jump the last and switch to his left then  A/ No interferance and B/ Beaten. If he had been good enough to be upsides at the last then fair enough but he wasn't so end of story.
By:
pedrobob
When: 10 Apr 14 12:13
stewards - L Taylor ,H West
stipendary - R Westropp , C L Rutter


.... hope the lot of you get sacked, utter incompetence
By:
gutfeeling
When: 10 Apr 14 12:28
Appeal upheld, Dolatulo awarded the race, Of no help to those who backed him (Like myself) but at least Gavin Sheenan had his suspension quashed.
By:
swift-tuttle
When: 10 Apr 14 12:36
I backed Dolatulo but I did not lose out financially because 1.02 or something like that was on offer for laying during the stewards.

Obviously you have to follow the golden rule:

If a decision is in the hands of a third party, you CANNOT guarantee the decision is favourable to yourself
By:
gutfeeling
When: 10 Apr 14 12:37
Lesson learned, Watched it live and couldn't see and fair reason why he'd be kicked out, Won't make that mistake again.
By:
Suffolk1
When: 10 Apr 14 13:52
We can only hope this takes us one step nearer central professional stewards. Lost a lump laying Benbens and stupidly didn't trade out as couldn't see any case for amendment. Lesson learned!
By:
PairOfSuitedAces
When: 10 Apr 14 14:10
I lost 2 grand because of those totally unqualified stewards - I'll never make that mistake again.
By:
Wesdag
When: 10 Apr 14 14:23
And what's the punishment for the stewards? Less sherry available for the the next meeting?

Lost a not insignificant amount due to their incompetence.  Will be much more circumspect next as to where to get involved if there are stewards in future.

Stratford is definitely off the list.
By:
onlooker
When: 10 Apr 14 15:10
swift-tuttle     10 Apr 14 12:36 

If a decision is in the hands of a third party, you CANNOT guarantee the decision is favourable to yourself
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There was an old 'gambling advice' saying ....

'Never bet on anything that thinks' - or, 'can think'

It referred, primarily, to Boxing Matches - no explanation needed.
By:
Wesdag
When: 10 Apr 14 15:11
shrewd
By:
geoff m
When: 10 Apr 14 15:11
if you didnt know better you would have thought the stewards had bet the fav.
By:
swift-tuttle
When: 10 Apr 14 15:14
never heard that one before onlooker but I certainly go along with it
By:
mememe
When: 10 Apr 14 15:31
Wot, no betting on football then.
By:
Knight Commander
When: 10 Apr 14 15:41
mememe     10 Apr 14 15:31 
Wot, no betting on football then.

Why not Devil
By:
asparagus
When: 10 Apr 14 15:55
An investigation should certainly be held into why Benbens contracted from 14/1 to about 3/1 to get the race in the last couple of minutes before the announcement particularly as everyone seemed to think the result was sure to stand. Betfair have all the info and it needs to be passed on
By:
starfish and coffee
When: 10 Apr 14 16:03
It wasn't in the last couple of minutes. The stewards took ages and Benbens was shortish for ages before the announcement, although you are right it did open up far bigger than it ended up. Maybe they were filling their boots in that time
By:
mememe
When: 10 Apr 14 16:34
Knight C ...

mis-read the post about not betting on anything that thinks ...

"There was an old 'gambling advice' saying 'Never bet on anything that thinks' - or, 'can think'  "

Now my reply should have been ALWAYS bet on footie therefore!
By:
Wesdag
When: 10 Apr 14 20:11
Gavin Sheehan

The Disciplinary Panel of the British Horseracing Authority on 10 April 2014 considered an appeal lodged by Gavin Sheehan, the rider of DOLATULO (FR), the winner of the Great Value Wines From Bordeaux Undiscovered Handicap Chase, against the decision of the Stewards at Stratford to find him guilty of careless riding and to suspend him from riding for four days, following an enquiry on 29 March 2014. Sheehan also appealed against the decision of the Stewards to find that DOLATULO (FR) had interfered with BENBENS (IRE), placed second, and that the interference had improved DOLATULO (FR)’s placing, and to reverse the placings.

The Panel heard evidence from Sheehan, who was legally represented, and Sam Twiston-Davies, the rider of BENBENS (IRE). It also viewed recordings of the race.

The Panel found that Sheehan was not guilty of causing any interference to Twiston-Davies. It was satisfied that having landed over the last fence 1½ lengths ahead of Twiston-Davies, Sheehan had every right to maintain the racing line to the commencement of the running rail that was alongside the water jump on the run to the finish line. Twiston-Davies, who was gaining ground, attempted to pass on the unrailed part of the course but had not the speed to do so in time, resulting in him running out of racing room and having to take a check before colliding with the rail.

The Panel therefore upheld Sheehan’s appeal against the finding of Careless riding and quashed the 4 day suspension. As a consequence of finding that Sheehan was not responsible for causing any interference the Panel also upheld the second part of his appeal, placing DOLATULO (FR) first and BENBENS (IRE) second.

Posted for the benefit of the mugs who thought the stewards were correct.
By:
11kv
When: 10 Apr 14 20:26
Where's my winnings ...............................Plain
By:
onlooker
When: 10 Apr 14 20:38
Where does this leave? ....

Senior stipendiary steward Chris Rutter - Former Flat Racing jockey (for those who do not know)

Who would have 'advised' the Stratford Stewards.

Not a mention of him.
By:
pedrobob
When: 10 Apr 14 20:49
shame that the enquiry on the day was not televised.

Those who lost as a result of the stewards idiocy could at least have had a good laugh at the garbage they must have been spouting in deciding how to turn around the result. Could probably have provided enough material for a whole episode of Fawlty Towers
By:
factmachine
When: 10 Apr 14 21:39
TOTALLY CORRUPT,FAV FAV FAV FAV FAV FAV
By:
katverrat
When: 11 Apr 14 12:54
Its all alright upholding the appeal - WHAT HAPPENS TO THE LUNATICS THAT REPRESENT BRITISH RACING ???

Is it a slap on the wrists due to their inadeqacy or ....  ARE THEY LET LOOSE TO DO IT AGAIN  ???


Multi million pounds investments handled by incompetents who hovel in and out of their BHA umberella


SACK THE LOT AND SHOUT IT FROM ON HIGH
By:
roggrain
When: 11 Apr 14 13:19
Nincompoops.
By:
jollie
When: 11 Apr 14 15:27
Fawlty towers sums it up  , but at least you get a laugh out of Basil

cost me a fair few quid ,


had a go at 7/1 here today , to win some back Confused ConfusedConfused
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