More hated in Germany than Hitler imo.

hey smiley -im a millionaire 2 times over and i bathe in vodka every night -golden duck i may add -lets party cos im golden goosed

ok i own a wife whos worth 6 million and a=-ive got two divorces on the go at 2 million a piece -calm down betfair i dont want a free £20 bingo credit lol

If some of the responses on here represent a cross section of the cretins Maggie defeated then thank goodness she did defeat them. There is absolutely no place on this earth, maybe North Korea, where their doctrine and beliefs will ever or should ever be successful. In fact reading through their nasty, self righteous, ignorant comments there is no place on this forum for them either.

You lost, thank goodness and good riddance.

I thought Maggie was right and Scargill was wrong. He took the miners out on strike without a ballot and they mindlessly followed him.

The massive difference between me and the Maggie bashers on here is that I don't hold it against Scargill and nor would I ever think or suggest dancing on his grave. He stood by his beliefs and fought for power over the country. Thankfully he was defeated but I don't hate him for it even though he never once apologised for screwing up the lives and livelihoods of so many of his followers and their communities.

This started long before Thatcher. Wilson couldn't do anything and neither could Callaghan. There was no way the path to ruin the unions had put this country on could be continued with. And there is no country in the world that demonstrates their values and ideas were right. That says everything so Maggie had the fight and defeat them for the sake of everyone else in the country not just the unions and their followers/members.

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Here is an interesting fact for the maggie-bashers: more coal mines were closed under Harold Wilson than under Maggie Thatcher.
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Extremely disingenuous. How many pits were there when Thatcher came to power, and how many are there now?

Alias - get your facts right.

There were MORE pits closed under Labour Governments than there were under the Conservatives.

You don't see the North Korea connection? Mindless followers striking themselves into extinction? You don't see it? Clueless.

I lost? Explain please brigust.

No, I merely sympathise with those who were flung out of work for no good reason, or otherwise battered by the fascist bitch. You do understand sympathy, don't you? Social conscience? Or is there no such thing as society?

You really are without a clue, aren't you?

No, I merely sympathise with those who were flung out of work for no good reason, or otherwise battered by the fascist bitch. You do understand sympathy, don't you? Social conscience? Or is there no such thing as society?

I can sort of understand state subsidy of an energy source and to keep people in work ie society etc until it becomes completely uneconomical.

But as a taxpayer being then held to ransom, being asked for more or the lights go out I tend to lose my sympathy. Symbolic of the union led culture at the time - the workers were simply pawns and need to look at the political union leaders who led them off a cliff ( well actually they led them nowhere cos they made sure they looked after themselves.)

To listen you you brigust, and your fellow fascists, you'd think that TU members were some kind of fifth column or foreign enemy. In truth, trade unionists were and are the working people of this country, without whom you'd have very few rights today, and without whom you'd never have won wars. Thatcher called TUs "the enemy within", and yet all of the famous traitors have been public school and Cambridge boys. TU members are your countrymen, not your enemies, only Thatcher and her kind have convinced you differently. The same Thatcher who CONGRATULATED Pinochet on his government of Chile - Pinochet, our "friend" according to Thatcher, who like so many fascist dictators, led a military coup to usurp a democratically elected government, and then proceeded to murder anyone who was left of him. In the right time, Thatcher would no doubt have congratulated Mussolini, Franco and Hitler, and all of the other murdering fascist tyrants from the same mould.
Are you happy to think of Pinochet as your friend? How does it sit with you, knowing your heroine sucked up to fascist murderers?

In spite of the warmongering and jingoism, workers' struggles actually intensified during the Second World War. Tony Dabb reveals how rising class struggle saw workers form a different sort of unity against the profiteering of the bosses
Wartime quotas put pressure on miners

'Here we were, just about winning the war, and losing our trade union rights. So what the bloody hell had we been fighting for?'

With these words, one socialist summed up the bitterness and resentment felt by workers in Britain towards the end of the Second World War. The sacrifices they were asked to make in the 'national interest' increasingly entailed poor pay, intolerable conditions, and the infringement of their basic right to organise at work.

There was widespread determination to defeat Hitler's Nazis, but the war also created tensions which raised questions in the minds of many about its real purpose. It was apparent that bosses were reaping huge profits off the back of the war effort. For the rest of society, long hours, inadequate air raid provision and meagre rations were their only reward, and the future promised little improvement. As the war went on, ordinary working people became more and more unwilling to tolerate this unequal sacrifice, and they expressed their anger at it where they had the greatest means of making themselves heard--in the workplace.
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Yeah, what a bunch of selfish bast@rds those trade unionists were, eh?

http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/sr185/dabb.htm


Thatcher's onslaught against workers' rights is one big reason why so many people today are trapped in £6.50 an hour jobs. Everybody can't be a banker/lawyer/accountant or whatever. Are you proud of that "achievement" brigust and co?

when labour were in charge in the early 70,s and the unions were calling the shots and holding everyone to ransom with power cuts and denial of council services why do you think the torys were voted in ?
the labour party itself  could not deal with the unions ffs .

All the stuff about the community charge being unfair is complete myth imo . the principle that those that access council services the most pay the most is a fair one rather than those that have the biggest house pay the most ,a single person in a big house would likely use less serviceS than a family of five in a council flat ....what was wrong with the communty charge ?

selling off the council houses was the best thing thatcher done along with a free market economy .

trying to blame thatcher for the state the country is in now is laughable.  and if its is a blame game look no further than Blair and co.

lack of investment in anything by successive governments is the problem we are where we are ,or do people honestly believe we should still all be burning coal for heating and in power stations ? OR we could have had a car manufacturing industry,ECT ECT 

plenty playing the blame game and rejoicing  after a 87 yearold women  has died of a stroke but not many offering any solutions for the future .  pretty sad and shows the mental state of many in this country .

ordinary rights and freedoms have been eroded more under the last labour gov then any tory one  ,MT increased choice and freedoms labour done the opposite .....wake up and smell the coffee.

They cannot change their thinking or even compromise on one point, for fear of waking up and finding maybe they´ve been wrong about all.

Thats true and it applies to both sides of the debate

Good post bread and butter.Agree entirely

brigust, don´t confuse me with some of the other people you´ve been talking to.

I have not once said that ALL Britain´s problems today were caused by Thatcher. You raised a comparison between the UK and Germany and I pointed out that the reason Germany is doing so well and the British economy is in dire straits is because of economic mismanagement by successive governments from 1979 to now. But it was Thatcher who first took the UK down the road of free market Milton Friedman economics, and which Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron have followed.

You were the one who claimed that the reason Germany is doing so well is because the were fortunate to have 17m workers coming from the east and as a result have had a low cost economy. I explained, with facts and figures, that this was laughable. YOU just ignored the fact you were completely wrong. So don´t accuse me of ´adding no details´ when you make such foolish assertions based purely on your opinion, and ignore the evidence when it suits you.

I was also a union member in 1979, in the public sector, and I accept absolutely that there were excesses by the unions. But the way to move forward, then and now, was to bring all parties round the table. The role of government is not, and should never be, to use the power of the state to destroy any group of workers and their communities because of ideology. The role of a PM is to unite the nation not the reverse.

And I have already said (if you read my posts) that it brought me no pleasure or sadness to hear about Thatcher´s death. Since 1990 she was a political irrelevance. I hated her when she was in power and if she had died 30 years ago I would have celebrated, but the passing of any 87-y-o geriatric does not make me happy.

I didn´t hear you complaining about all the right-wingers who were ´dancing on the grave ´of Hugo Chavez after he died, and he was a popular leader who never harmed one person in this country.

Why don´t you start offering up some ´details´, facts and figures to back up your opinions and anecdotes?

I do have a child wildmanloony, last thing they were learning in history lessons was 1066. I don't know what planet you are living on seriously.

Tip the report on Germany was not mine it was in a documentary on the television. West Germany were worried about the effect workers from the East would have on wages and were certain to drive them down. You don't have to be an economist or mathematician to work that one out. Your point about average wages I dealt with because these statistics spread over a country are completely meaningless. Ask the people in Wales what the average wage means to them. Any fool can come up with pointless statistics then make out they know something when in actual fact they know eff all.

If, as you say, you were a union member in the late 70's then you should know quite clearly the demands upin the government by the NUM et al were not realistic. You must have known the taxes pai and the rate of inflation. You must have known for a governmnt to surrender to these tactics would have been suicidal as it was for Wilson and Callaghan.

If you want to know some facts and figures you should read my posts. They were actually factual because I was working in a car factory around this period. So why don't you get your facts right before open your mouth? You, if you were a trade unionist at the time, should know better.

^^That wasn't pointed at you WTF. I was answering a point put forward to me by Tiptheodds. But at least you confirmed, should Tip want confirmation, that I had put that point forward.