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By:
ohyouknowdoya
When: 28 Feb 13 23:54
You need a check up, from the neck up. bf.
By:
bf_fananatic
When: 28 Feb 13 23:56
The only filter that was applied was to throw out all horses over 60 points at exchange odds!
By:
ohyouknowdoya
When: 28 Feb 13 23:57
What the fcuk are you on about, are you i'll, is this bloke a nutterPlain
By:
bf_fananatic
When: 28 Feb 13 23:58
I have had check ups from the neck up and an iq that rages between 142-150 is quite ok and of a scientific level

so I am not just your average genius as I rate myself a little higherWink
By:
ohyouknowdoya
When: 01 Mar 13 00:00
I reckon your iq does rage, and quite frequently tooShocked
By:
bf_fananatic
When: 01 Mar 13 00:02
in fact if you add my iq to ohyouknowdoya and average it out you hit the national average, pretty amazing coincidence but worrying still..
By:
bf_fananatic
When: 01 Mar 13 00:04
ohyouknowdoya, do you still want the predictions for top 3 say for 3:30 Doncaster Saturday?
By:
ohyouknowdoya
When: 01 Mar 13 00:07
Oh dear, I'm bored with you now bf. Onlooker do you agree with tissue price for Aim, and the read?
Please let us have your view, as a form expert of coursePlain
By:
ohyouknowdoya
When: 01 Mar 13 00:08
ohyouknowdoya, do you still want the predictions for top 3 say for 3:30 Doncaster Saturday?

Go on then, but you need to stick the tissue price up for each of the 3 horsesLaugh
By:
bf_fananatic
When: 01 Mar 13 00:10
Give me ten minutes then if you dont mind waiting that isWink
By:
ohyouknowdoya
When: 01 Mar 13 00:10
Mepoor, I sent you a pm relating to the donny race, did u get it?.
By:
ohyouknowdoya
When: 01 Mar 13 00:11
10 mins? LaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
Diamond_Joe_Quimby
When: 01 Mar 13 00:12
That is the biggest load of 5hit I have EVER read. Talk about aftertiming
By:
Diamond_Joe_Quimby
When: 01 Mar 13 00:13

Cheltenham 75 races stating with 2012 Festival

    Rank            Ran            Win            Stike Rate            Points Profit             Place ret            AvBsp            Predicted Strike Rate   
    1            75            21            28.00            +88.42            2.81            7.78            27.52   
    2            75            16            21.33            +94.48            29.06            10.59            20.18   



Talking about this btw
By:
hello :-)
When: 01 Mar 13 00:14
FFS not again , please god when will this end
By:
ohyouknowdoya
When: 01 Mar 13 00:18
What the fcuks going on hereLaugh
By:
bf_fananatic
When: 01 Mar 13 00:23
    3:30 »          points        Tissue   
    The Romford Pele         21        4/1   
    Katkeau         19           
    Barafundle         17            5/1
By:
ohyouknowdoya
When: 01 Mar 13 00:26
LaughLaugh And it's good night from me.
By:
hello :-)
When: 01 Mar 13 00:27
One more set of boxes and im consulting a lawyer
By:
bf_fananatic
When: 01 Mar 13 00:31
Back Aim to prosper at your own risk as its a plant

for one thing its not rated low and weighted low in this race for nothing

and for another it wont probably stay the trip at its a sub 8 % chance!


Will make a few quick for chalkers though as the public wear rose coloured lenses.
By:
manxy
When: 01 Mar 13 00:35
ohyouknowdoya
01 Mar 13 00:26
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LaughLaugh And it's good night from me.


ffs  another mouthy knows it all 2012er, where the feck do they all appear from, was 2012 a vintage mmuppit year or what.
By:
bf_fananatic
When: 01 Mar 13 00:37
The only reason that horse is running is either as a pipe blower for Chelts and/or to put a duck egg on its
form to increase its odds in a better race..
By:
bf_fananatic
When: 01 Mar 13 00:39
hes ok manky, a bit gobby and stupid but an improvement on GTG Wink
By:
bf_fananatic
When: 01 Mar 13 00:42
I ment ohyouknowdoya by the by and 2012 must of watered down the sawdust with the incehes of rain around.
By:
thegiggilo
When: 01 Mar 13 00:44
18th February 2013, 5:31 PM
light burst 13/2 hills!Shocked

18th February 2013, 5:44 PM

Join Date: May 2011 Light burst improved dramatically as the 2012 season went on,winning by 8ls on the flat winning at wolves over 7fs then last two runs looking at the limits of his mark third to kingscroft and over the 7fs at wolves then beaten over a mile at kempton.His poly form looks as good as anything in this race but the most interesting thing has to be his pedigree out of hard spun top class poly and dirt performer with the dam out of seattle slew.He could be open to even more improvenment on this surface and even if he doesn't improve he should go on it and 13/2 would still be a fair price on the poly form.The trainers already won today with mubtadi and the same jock thomas brown he takes off 5 pound tomorrow taking him down to just 75.I experct him to be backed at these prices as i don't see how he could be bigger than 7/2 tops!
If he doesn't go on the surface then picenos run here off 75 behind fayr hall off tomorrows mark of 75 looks good and in a decent time of 1m.27.76 he could well lead and make all if light burst doesn't show!!

WON SP 2/1Cool


, 6:35 PM sulis minerva 12/1 PPOWER

19th February 2013, 7:01 PM Not a horse i've really backed as habitual slow starter and only because of the price 12/1 looks a nice trade,the fav stands out with improvement to come and been franked by horses from light from mars race.Two others o'gormans run behind noverre to go only 14 lifetime runs and still open to improvement the other would be sulis minerva the bigger priced in comparison.Sulis minerva herself has been an improver this sesson on the aw 4th to swiss cross off 85,3rd to piscean off 85 and 4th to farmliegh house off 86 if she hadn't been dropped a pound since that run wouldv'e been unable to run in this race.
Has won over this c/d off 80 last seasson by an easy 3ls in respectable time but as mentioned improved this season,i wouldn't rely on her as she misses the break to often getting to far behind but won't go off 12/1 she looks a 7/1 shot to me in this drop in grade!

3RD 10/1

Teds brother 9/1 365 8/1 victor!!

20th February 2013, 6:01 PM  Don't know if teds brother can win this race as it does look wide open but he ran a very encouraging race after 4 months off last run was in october then ran over tomorrows c/d on 14th of feb.He travelled really well and was still running on although admittedly not as much as first thought and finished 3/4l behind jake the snake has a 3 pound pull for that run jake the snake priced up at 3/1.He has also never run well after a break and this was only his second lifetime run on the aw so there's a couple more positives,he could still be open to More improvement on this surface.H e won 4 races on the turf in 2011 the last off 72 tomorrow he's off 63 with philip princev taking another 7 pound off.He actually looks one to follow for the turf as well on this run as didn't shhow a great deal ladt season.I cannot see him going unbacked in this race and at 3x the price of jake the snake looks overpriced,could well out run his prices.

UNPLACED 5/1




  powerful pierre 10/1 365!!

21st February 2013, 5:46 PM


A race full of dodgepots and nothing in here i would like to back at short prices,powerful pierre has a poor strike rate but may have been a winner without a penalty from last run.Scrubbed along for most of the race then entering the final furlong picking up looking like he may have been coming to win the race hampered so badly was almost pulled up.He had blinkers on that day,hadn't worn them for last 6 runs but last two wins have come with them on. I wouldn't rely on him repeating the form at lingfield i think wolves would be more preferable with running style,but was unlucky last time out is on a good mark won off 63 in april beating black cadillac and will undoubtedy be backed after that eye catching run.I will fiollow him for a couple of ruins as long as he keeps going off double figure prices.!!

4TH 8/1

5:45 PM my son max 13/2 victor

22nd February 2013, 5:57 PM Strictly on collateral form my son max has a little to find with picansort and diamond charlie but was badly hampered through those formlines with moorhouse lad and bubbly ballerina.Was cantering in that race from the 6th of december and wouldv'e won 2-3ls so the formlines are slightly misleading which makes the 13/2 value,the time of the race that day was very good as well 57.68 and my son max still looks an improver with just 8 runs on the aw and 2 wins.Will probably go off nearer 4/1 9/2 tops!

4TH 7/2 Shouldv'e sluiced up.Shocked

Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:05 pm

Flashlight looks blindingly obvious although as you've probably noticed i rarely bet odds,it was second on last run last year to mar mar at doncaster, there was a nursery on the same day and flashlight ran quicker than the 83 rated winner of that race.If this opens 1/2 or better its worth a bet,the only negative i can see is no aw pedigree,looks a 1/10 shot on the donny form!Shocked

Sent: Monday, 25 February 2013, 10:49

flashlight 1.46/ 1.47 on betfair!

won 1/3Cool

Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:51 pm

Have backed gabbiano at 15/2 already but prices have gone only 7/2 now the value has gone maybe bigger on betfair tomorrow,i was always going to back sole danser as well and with gabbiano so heavily backed its now a very big price.Last season was drawn 12 when pushed wider over tomorrows c/d in a better race than this off 72,was hacking along hampered then hampered again when running on to come home a winner without a penalty.Made seasonal debut at wolves over 6fs behind seek the fairland in better race than this finishing second,then two disappointing runs one over an inadequate 5fs and the other over 6fs at lingfield.All his best form is going right handed as mentioned the race when 4th off 72 at kempton,previous to that was 5th to mizwaaj in another decent race off 73 different class race to tomorrows,also his other two runs at the track was first and second.If he repeats the kempton run would be fav for this race,the 8/1 and 7/1 looks very generous at his favourite track with graham lee riding.
Gabbiano looks glaringly obvious after last run,badly hampered and then not getting a run late on behind temple road finished full of running and tomorrow with robert tart taking off 7 pound and been dropped another pound can get to run off 65 also has big weight pulls with alnoomas and fortrose academy from previous form.Trainer jeremy gask also in form as mentioned all value gone now at 7/2 especially for a horse that does have his quirks!

N/R SOLE DANSER
WON 7/2 GABBIANOCool

Drited on betfair to at least 6s the next day!Shocked

My last 7 bets hello all put up night beforeShockedwinners and losers as you can see its hard work trying to find hardly any bets on these cards.
By:
manxy
When: 01 Mar 13 00:44
bf_fananatic
01 Mar 13 00:39
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hes ok manky, a bit gobby and stupid but an improvement on GTG Wink


gtg will be back when analogs daughter comes back, asthey are the same person, he used to post as ashigh punter.
By:
hello :-)
When: 01 Mar 13 00:59
Nice work gigollo i already knew you went through a lot of barrows tho
By:
thegiggilo
When: 01 Mar 13 01:06
Nothing to do necessarily with the winners fella was just showing reasoning for picks even if some are not strong picks,showing how prices can still determine a bet.I was pretty certain the track would beat powerful pierre,shouldv'e got third but wouldn't have won but justified my thoughts that wolves it may have won,you then have to take in account 3 wins from 38 runs so i could never back it at less than 10/1.So now after those two decent runs will be probably 5/1 and i could not back it at that price it will almost definitely be overbet,just showing an angle of the way of looking at a race as a whole.
By:
bf_fananatic
When: 01 Mar 13 01:15
Hate to popping bubbles but the shorter price a runner is then the more sure you have to be of its winning chance to effectively win

far less money and so 1/3 runners aren't considered beef stake cuts but more like minced confidence offal in relation to finding winners

let alone profits!
By:
thegiggilo
When: 01 Mar 13 01:24
You were getting 1.45 for decent money for a 1/10 shot,i back maybe 12 odds on shots a year thats how much value i see in them very little.But occasionally you get a gem like this,mainly because he had one turned over on the previous weekend he had 20 pounds in hand on the donny form,the others were complete slowboats.Like i said forget they won,its the explaination in the form that made them value thats what the threads about.
By:
hello :-)
When: 01 Mar 13 01:24
your talking mince
By:
hello :-)
When: 01 Mar 13 01:24
bf that was
By:
bf_fananatic
When: 01 Mar 13 01:37
I reckon my grand mother who was a bookie would beat most of you at working out real odds, fact!
By:
thegiggilo
When: 01 Mar 13 01:58
21st January 2013, 9:46 AM 

Have backed monzino at 50s and 40s and 33s general now even  bigger on betfairShocked maybe has the best form in the race but that was at swell last season winning off 60 then followed that up with third off 63.Actually had this ones of eddy a long way behind at swell when winning,today races off just 55 and 7 pound clasmier never heard of but has had two winners already.Seems to go on the surface last run here was 5th off 11 to satwa laird off 65 staying on at the finish in different class race to this.Has shown absolutely nothing since but 6/7 runs have been on turf where he's never had any form and running over all sorts of distances,plus he has no headgear first time since the win and third at swell.Enormous price if he were just to produce anywhere near that form.


WON SP 12/1Shocked

Had a bit more on at 40s!!
By:
thegiggilo
When: 01 Mar 13 02:07
Big enough for you bf Shocked!
By:
BARNEY21.
When: 01 Mar 13 08:11
Just to change tack a wee bit anyone carrying the moniker of "expert" should carry a government health warning and be avoided at all costs a la banking/financial growth/economic/health/weather so on and so forth and come to think of it the government should carry the same health warning,anybody watch "Baves Bank" last night absolutely brilliant was Dave a few dozen or so more like him and we would never be in any crisis,now there,s a guy who deserves a knighthood.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 01 Mar 13 09:28
Take a typical h/cap hurdle race with ten runners.

Around half way around five of them haven't gone a yard, half mile out and there might be three left with a chance.
Coming to the last it's usually between two, and neither of them much last time they ran, and the winner skips home.

So to conclude, it was a waste of time looking for the horses with the best form, because only a couple showed anything like their form.
The thing you should have been looking for, was which ones were likely to show their form on the day.

Without knowing that, the form is useless.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 01 Mar 13 09:31
Without a knowledge of how and why trainers place their horses, you might as well use the form book as toilet paper.
By:
ohyouknowdoya
When: 01 Mar 13 09:56
ffs  another mouthy knows it all 2012er, where the feck do they all appear from, was 2012 a vintage mmuppit year or what

Just sorting out all the megalomaniacs on thread, the bull sh--ers, the clueless.
Been on here since 2003WinkLaugh Manxy a 7300 poster, couldn't read a race if it appeared in following days newspaper.

No reply from the onlooker eh, "very very few can read between the lines"Shocked
By:
duncan idaho
When: 01 Mar 13 10:27
Dr Crippen clearly cant read form...at least these fellas are up front about it
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