what deacon blues rating is it still 120

Angel Gabriel




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I think that you will find scraping home against horses rated 117 does not make her the best race horse in the world

What is the top rated horse she has ever beaten?

As others have said she has beaten Hay List 5 times & he is officially rated 125 by these ratings that everyone here seems to love so much & take as gospel. That places him equal 6th best in the world.

Camelot is rated 121.

Camelot's rating was pre Derby btw, you have to make your own mind up how much value you place on these international ratings, I'd deffo be giving Camelot a boost for being able to win two Classics over 8 and 12 furlongs, it incredibly rare and it's from just four starts.

Nobody knows yet, but be prepared for all the vets to come out here with their diagnosis.

Yep Deacon Blue at 120 and he would be the standard which your horses would have beat. It really is pathetic how the Aussies cant grasp the gulf in class between Frankel and our 120 sprinters.

No_BS
Didn't know we used ratings, we certainly don't put any credibility in your's.

We judge by wins and prize money and she has both, when the Cotton Wool Kid decides to play with the other horse instead of just his own then we will see.

They aren't our ratings, the are from the World Thoroughbred Rankings published by the International Federation of Horseracing Authorities and made up of various country members and the clues are in the words World and International and are the very same ratings that many Aussies pointed to as proof of Black Caviar being the best horse in the world when she topped them.

As for prize money, Black Caviar had won 22 races and averages £177,906 a win as opposed to Frankel's 11 wins averaging £151,857, so not really a massive difference especially when you consider BC won £283k compared to Frankel's £198k for their RA wins. Incidentally, BC has only won more than that £283k in about 5 of her 22 races and one of those was the same race twice.

Oh and if the Cotton Wool Kid is Frankel and you are waiting for him to play with the other horses then I'm afraid you are too late as he already has and has beaten horses from England, Ireland, France, Germany, (ex)Australia and Japan, which is more of a variety than Black Caviar has beaten.

AND BEFORE YOUR ATTEMPT TO CORRECT ME.

£ 198000 = $ 307,743

Why doesn't Frankel come and race in the 2040m Cox Plate worth 3 million, and near DOUBLE his prize money with a dominant win in only 1 race?

Think you will find if you compare Frankels race and adjust it to 10f, he would certainly not have been dominant against SYT.  I think you actually find he loses that race.

i see frankel has again avoided SYT and the older horses, this time the eclipse.

cecil says, "Frankel will tell me when he is ready to run 10f"

frankel ran on a track rated 8.3 6 hours before his race. the mean figure for good tracks is 8.0. frankel ran on a good-good to firm track. look it up "numpty"..

Excelebration is rated one of the best horses in the world right now. Frankel is rated the best horse in history by many after beating that field by 11 lengths?

He won in a time of 1:37.85 seconds.
The going was listed as Good to Soft. So many believe the going was on the soft side. Even considering this was raised to Good, 30 minutes after his race.

Now the actual going stick measurement for the middle of the course on the day Frankel ran, was 8.3. Now the statistics provided in regards to course going suggest a different opinion.

OFFICIAL GOING DESCRIPTION GIVEN BY CLERK OF COURSE - FLAT    NUMBER OF REPORTS LOGGED    MEAN GOINGSTICK READING
HEAVY     68    5.5
SOFT     258    6.4
GOOD TO SOFT 581 7.1
GOOD     1165    8.0
GOOD TO FIRM 1538    8.9
FIRM 150     10.1
HARD    0    N/A

The mean recording for meetings classed as GOOD, is actually 8. Now Frankel, 6 hours before his race was 8.3 suggesting the ground was actually GOOD-GOOD TO FIRM, but definately on the upside of Good, and only 1 runner having run on the ground before him.

So what does this mean?

Well, from my reckoning, it means this. With a rating of 8.9 the following day, a 3 year old mare in her 4th start ran the same distance, to within .05 seconds of the greatest performance in history. How could this be? Obviously, that .6 difference in going equates to a huge margin in time. A horse in her 4th start couldn't possibly get within 15 lengths of the greatest victory ever recorded? Well, lets say 10. Lets say, that Duntle ran out of her skin and would have beaten the field that Frankel did, by a length. Longer? Read through first.

Stats behind Frankels awe inspiring performance.
Time, 1:37.85, running 16.446 metres per second. Track rating >8.3

Now considering the staggering performance of Frankel, and the newly decided best racehorse in the history of the world, based purely on that run, it would be impossible to think he could keep that speed up for an extra 2 furlongs. But lets entertain the idea.
That puts the equivalent time Frankel ran on an 8.3+ track for 10 furlongs to 2:02.32.

Now the other way, Frankel vs Duntle, Frankel obviously has an allowance of 24 metres given the 10 lengths.

So You Think, ran 2:03.86, 16.247 metres per second. Track rating >7.7.

1.5 seconds behind Frankels extended 8f time. At So You Thinks speed of 16.241 metres per second, and given the extra distance, he should have an allowance of 1.25*10 lengths, or 12.5 lengths (.6 in going) or around 37.5 metres, or around 2.308 seconds which puts him .8 seconds above Frankels performance, even allowing Frankels average speed to continue for an extra 2 furlongs.

Or am I reading the going stick wrong? Which would make a lot of sense given the severe lack of information for English racing.

Or is Duntle further behind Frankel? Which would indeed put Frankel further behind SYT based on those figures.




Ascot track conditions

Report Date Tuesday 19th June; 8:30 am
Going Good to Soft
Going Stick Standside: 8.1, Centre: 8.3, Farside: 8.1, Round: 7.4


Ascot track conditions

Report Date Wednesday 20th June; 12:00 pm
Going Good
GoingStick Standside: 8.7, Centre: 8.9, Farside: 8.8, Round: 7.7

BJT

On the tuesday when Frankel won the Queen Anne only he recorded a time faster than average on the days card. Think about it.

On the wednesday when Duntle won the Sandringham and So You Think won the Prince of Wales all 6 races on that card where recorded as faster than average. Think about it.

Just to add you cant accurately judge conditions by the `going stick` as ground can ride dead and sticky without any registration to emphasis on this.

Our OR ratings are nearly always there or there abouts. The gulf between SYT is over a stone at least. Duntle..may i say no more. Good luck with your paralysis by over analysis

The fact that this thread was even created,just shows that the aussies are absolutely seething that their mare has been found out

Europe knows this after last week and i makes me very pleased that the aussies now know it too and creating this thread has proved that thanks guys

Here's an idea... Frankel could actually race So You Think and prove all the ratings smarties right or wrong...

Of course that would be too difficult... So You Think having only run in every @#$%ing middle distance race of note past two years.

All you seethers, now you've found your answer for why Sir Henry has kept Frankel at a mile for so long!

Obviously he is waiting patiently for So You Think imminent retirement!

AdvantageAussie  as i said earlier, cecil says, "Frankel will tell me when he is ready to run 10f" ...ffs

One thing about Aussies, biggest mouths in the world, even above Americans, not the brightest people though.

Black Caviar  never got beat  22 straight
England (Footi) last won anything 1966  World Cup ...46 years ago  More than 49% Of the population today wasn't even born when Bobby Moore lifted the trophy
Thats the difference