What's the difference between Black Caviar & England Soccer?

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The Origin of the Word “Soccer”
Daven Hiskey June 23, 2010 72

I found out the origin of the word “soccer”.  For all you out there who love to complain when Americans, and certain others, call “Football”, “Soccer”, you should know that it was the British that invented the word and it was also one of the first names of what we now primarily know of as “Football”.

In fact, in the early days of the sport among the upper echelons of British society, the proper term for the sport was “Soccer”.  Not only that, but the sport being referred to as “Soccer” preceded the first recorded instance of it being called by the singular word “Football” by about 18 years.

  This happening when it became more popular with the middle and lower class. When that happened, the term “Football” gradually began dominating over “Soccer” and the then official name “Association Football”.

In the 1860s, as in most of history with records as far back as 1004 B.C., there were quite a lot of “football” sports in existence being played popularly throughout the world and of course, England.   Many of these sports had similar rules and eventually, on October 26th, 1863, a group of teams in England decided to get together and create a standard set of rules which would be used at all their matches.  They formed the rules for “Association Football”, with the “Association” distinguishing it from the many other types of football sports in existence in England, such as “Rugby Football”.

Now British school boys of the day liked to nickname everything, which is still somewhat common.  They also liked to add the ending “er” to these nicknames.  Thus Rugby was, at that time, popularly called “Rugger”.  Association Football was then much better known as “Assoccer”, which quickly just became “Soccer” and sometimes “Soccer Football”.

The inventor of the nickname is said to be Charles Wredford Brown, who was an Oxford student around the time of Association Football’s inception.  Legend has it, in 1863 shortly after the creation of Association Football, Wredford-Brown had some friends who asked him if he’d come play a game of “Rugger”, to which he replied he preferred “Soccer”.  The name caught on from there.

In the beginning, the newly standardized Rugby and Soccer were football sports for “gentlemen”, primarily being played by the upper echelons of society.  However, these two forms of football gradually spread to the masses, particularly Soccer as Rugby didn’t really catch on too well with the lower classes.  This resulted in the name switching from “Soccer” and “Association Football”, to just “Football”; with the first documented case of the sport being called by the singular term “Football” coming in 1881, 18 years after it was first called simply “Soccer” or officially “Association Football”.

This game then gradually spread throughout the world under the lower class name of “Football”, rather than “Soccer” as the “gentlemen” called it.  The problem was though, that a lot of other countries of the world already had popular sports of their own they called “Football”, such as the United States, Canada, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa, to name a few.  In these countries, the name “Soccer” was and, in some,  still is preferred for this reason.

Soccer preceded Football in England, and Soccer is played in many countries.

And England is still Cr ap at it.

How could Soccer have preceded Football in England when Soccer is an shorthand version slang name of the game that's full title is Association Football? That would be like having the sport Horse Racing that is generally referred to as just Racing but is also called the Gee Gees here as a form of slang and then saying the use of an abbreviated term like the Gee Gees was recorded earlier for Horse Racing than just Racing itself, so claiming Racing was the Johnny come lately of the two when the word Racing was already is use as part of Horse Racing.

It would also be like saying 20/20 or ODI are sports when what they really are are specific formats of the sport Cricket, just as Test Cricket also is and so you can't say any of those specific Cricket formats preceded the name Cricket for the sport.

Typical retort from an individual whose opinion doesn't merit any respect or credibility.

Ignoring the fact I don't even believe she was injured, how do you know she was (supposedly) injured "in running" when even her trainer said he doesn't know when it "happened" anyway?

LOL....no answer to the question then, now there's a surprise.

Exactly.

Are all Aussies like this? It's only a feckin horse, and we only lost a football game, wgaf? My poor daughter is off there in January, I had better warn her to take plenty of books as the convo looks likely to be sorely limited.

I think that you will find scraping home against horses rated 117 does not make her the best race horse in the world

What is the top rated horse she has ever beaten?

It's a close call, we are very good at bowing and scraping also.

lol

It seems odd that our Derby winner Camelot is on rated 124 yet your sprinters behind BC are rated 10lb superior in class!

Somethings not right with your ratings\!

just because it's your Derby, doesn't make it a high quality race.

Third Place in the derby really franked Camelot's form the other day didn't it?

Maybe a ratings adjustment is in order.

Euro trash horses inconsistant. At least Hay List wins... and franks her form, when Black Caviar is not around.

MathewC
I think people stopped caring about your opinion when you started the sentence with "I don't even believe she was injured".

AFL
Exactly.

Apart from the fact you have just made yourself unofficial spokesman for "people" in yet another display of typical arrogance in thinking you speak for anyone other than yourselves, obviously the jockey stopped caring for the horse too then if you believe the other fairytale about him nearly withdrawing her at the start as she was not right, and yet funnily enough the trainer was saying she pulled up sore and tender after the race, so which version do we believe, the original or the sequel?

Please feel free to explain why the jockey ran a supposedly injured horse in the race, why he didn't dismount when she supposedly pulled up sore and tender and why he rode her back down the course again, turned and rode her back by way of a victory celebration, all on a horse he nearly withdrew.

I await your explanations with interest and I'll even help you on your way by getting you started.

Once upon a time..........

Hay list's rating of 132 is a Timeform rating isn't it? it's not an official mark.

His World Thoroughbred Ranking is 125 which is level with Bodemeister, Cityscape, So You Think, Wise Dan and Excelebration.

Didn't know we used ratings, we certainly don't put any credibility in your's.

We judge by wins and prize money and she has both, when the Cotton Wool Kid decides to play with the other horse instead of just his own then we will see.

um... So You Think was beaten while racing in Australia... I think he had a pretty good winning ratio, but it was no where near 100%, so I don't know where you get the idea we thought he was unbeatable?