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desperate scene i witnessed in betfred today
desperate scene i witnessed in betfred today
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They cater for a certain type of punter who wants to bet and likes a decision being made for them, doesnt want to go through a process of selecting on form/odds/football
Just press a button/no hard work, if you lose its down to luck and not bad judgement, a lucky dip punter, dissolving himself from responsibility |
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betting on a roulette machine in a b3tfred shop is prob better than trying to get on at their knutish prices and limits . biggest knut in racing
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if you dont live near a large town you are screwed with prices
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They cater for a certain type of punter who wants to bet and likes a decision being made for them, doesnt want to go through a process of selecting on form/odds/football
Couldn't be further from the truth, most FOBT punters invent parallel universes, in which there are patterns, conspiracies, methods and staking plans. They are almost as bad as people who bet on dogs without watching videos and listen to horse tips on telly. The fact, that they are all delusional is besides the point. |
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i like the way som of them lean one way as the ball goes round, like it will make a difference lol dopey foookers
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acey - because there are people on here who dont believe it and they are punters who know the dangers of these machines.
my wife doesnt believe that bookies wont take bets off me. she cant understand that they can turn down a bet, thinks it shouldnt be allowed. there is no way she would believe me if i told her about yesterdays events. a grandmother giving a debit card to her daughter to fund her addiction!!! i wish the top brass could have seen it unfold. although they would probably have offered them a free cup of tea to keep them there longer. |
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you can fill the machine with money with a debit card over the counter can you?
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siralex, three ladies have spent a oner gambling, had fun and walked out without tearing their hair out. Not bad going.
You should see how much action some bingo halls get on a friday night. I just fail to see the problem in your example, not to say there aren't really bad ones. |
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charnota - i accept what u r saying. it was just seeing them take out and lose all of their notes, then go to the counter to load up on the debit card, lose that and then put in all their change and lose that. they both walked out with nothing. we all lose money on gambling, but i am used to seeing blokes, youngsters, oap's losing, these machines however have got a whole load of new people hooked on them who u wouldnt see dead in a bookie's b4 the machines came in.
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well, siralex, - this is the nature of society we are living in. Equality, political correctness and the rest of it.
I am all in favour of getting FOBTs out of the shops, but that will only happen on the back of anti-gambling laws in general and will take away my right to bet on dogs and sports legitimately, something I consider to be my human right. |
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Charnota
The difference being that by playing a machine instead of being forced into MAKING A CHOICE what to bet on and feeding into the conspiracy theory they are then abandoning any free thought and basing it on luck, there fore rending themselves, in their own mind, blameless. |
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quite a debate , even the venom had a modicum of class , well done chaps
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zilzal1,
you are concentrating too much on the "machine" aspect of it, - most played game by far on FOBTs is roulette, which is about 300 years old and stood the test of time in its popularity with the public. Google "roulette strategy" or "roulette system" and see how many people are actually believing that they can beat the odds. I am not saying that they are right, - far from it, but they think they are making a choice. Also, since we are having a roulette v racing debate, - who is to say that racing does not offer the same chase of "luck" as roulette? Plenty of people blindly follow market moves, favorites, "lucky number 7", trap 1-2-3 etc. Same illusion of choice with pretty little to back it up apart from chatting aftertiming garbage. |
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21 Mar 12 20:26 i like the way som of them lean one way as the ball goes round, like it will make a difference lol dopey foookers Depends how loose the floorboards are!  |
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dont forget the FOBTs are "Random "
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dont forget the FOBTs are "Random "
Why wouldn't they be? Huge turnover combined with the mathematical margin built into the games is all that is needed to shift the book into the favour of the house. Anything else is unnecessary. And illegal. |
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4 17s in a row and a definition of random can vary
verdict lay off them |
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4 17s in a row and a definition of random can vary
verdict all that matters is 2.78% house profit on turnover over a period of time. How it gets there does not matter, all the conspiracies are mug talk. |
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seen any budget sheets for an LBO ?
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plenty. Why?
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Fobts a are a guaranteed income stream if you truly believe that on line roulette is "fair" then carry on but for me they are wrong
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I never argued that it wasn't an income stream, as long as you get punters playing it.
And I know for a fact that FOBT roulette is not any less fair than a physical one. And to general public its much more fair than a 140% books on 6 runner handicaps on SiS. |
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The reason they are different from other types of betting in shops and why they are destroying the lives of tens of thousands and their families.Is because they are designed to be addictive and you can see its working just by watching the people on them.
I was in bills in Westminster(strutton Ground) watching a race and there was an old lady of about 80 behind her husband in a wheelchair who was feeding the FOBT.I heard her say to him thats enough you are going to lose it all,probably his disability allowance but he was still at it when i left after the race.Anyone earning their money off them,is earning it off the back of other peoples misery. |
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Google "roulette strategy" or "roulette system" and see how many people are actually believing that they can beat the odds. I am not saying that they are right, - far from it, but they think they are making a choice.
Phuck me, half of the people who play these machines cant even do up their shoelaces without help, the biggest bleat you hear is that "Its supposed to be a 97% payout but ive lost all my money, its foxed"  esp anyone under 30!!You are crediting them with a lot more intelligence than they have, did you not read the test on numeracy by the BBC in which they gave an example which supposedly half the nation struggles with.It would have been done by juniors a few years ago. |
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The reason these people are so stupid is because them,their parents and their grand parents have been given the worst educations in the modern world.A lot are lowlifes or criminals but most are just ordinary poor people who have been abandoned by rotten selfish politicians.
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You are crediting them with a lot more intelligence
I am failing to see in my posts any credit to FOBT punters intelligence. All I am saying is that the majority of racing public is just as bad. Anyone earning their money off them,is earning it off the back of other peoples misery. So does anyone making any long term money gambling. |
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I just gave an example in bold, id like to do a straw poll among FOBT players and see what percentage have looked up a Roulette system or Strategy.
They'd probably think Labouche was a French Hedge |
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Not the same Charnota all types of gambling will suck some into addiction.The difference with these machines is that they are designed and succeed in sucking a much bigger % of stupid and vulnerable people into addiction.They do nothing but destroy peoples plus their families lives and move money from the mainly poor to the evil already very rich.
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A lot of assumptions on here regarding the wealth of people playing these games.
I am reminded of stories of John Terry in a betting shop with " wads" of £50 notes. I suspect that this was a TINY fraction of his wealth and far less than the average punter betting a fiver. I know a fellow who was a dreadful horse/dog race punter. Didnt have a clue , was a regular loser. Unfortunately his wife died and he recieved a large insurance payout. I bumped into him in a shop and he was playing the machines. I told him he was a mug. He replied that he knew this but money now meant nothing to him and he did it to ease his boredom / grief. His choice. |
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I know from shops in London the vast majority are poor and uneducated and a lot of it is criminal eastern Europe money.Very few blokes in suits.
Widowers death insurance goes to scum who now run these firms.Not a great defense of the FOBTs. |
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Most of the anti FOBT brigade harp on about the destructive elements of machine random number betting because they want to distance themselves from gamblers of luck and make themselves appear clever by adopting a 'Well, actually, I'm really shrewd as I can't arb, can't do snidey each ways and can't back Pricewise on a Saturday morning when the shop opens anymore as my local Baldfred won't take them and I find roulette boring. But, a family of 3 generations can choose to spend a small proportion of their income which I'm automatically assuming they can't afford as it suits my agenda, deriving great fun playing a game of chance but ultimately losing. Aren't I clever and don't they need help....'
It's all rather pathetic really. |
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Ive heard some s hite on here Pixie and that load of crap is right up there.
Knee jerk reaction of the bookmakers when they cant defend the evil robbing scumbags they are is,lets bring the fictitious arbers into the argument |
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This bloke has the right idea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAh67stAD4Y&feature=related |
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Toronto, your agenda is that Hills sacked you and you hate all bookmakers because of it.
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Pixie i have never worked for a bookmakers,another idiots comment to add to all your others.You are someone who must know every day you now wake up,you are feeding off other people and spreading misery.Have nothing against people working in bookmakers only scum like you who push these FOBTs and are behind the policy of dragging people into addiction.The staff are being exploited even more than your customers.If i had worked for a bookmakers.I would have left once i realised the whole nature of the business had changed from betting outlet to robbing vulnerable people.
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I hate these machines with a passion and it frightens me hows quickly they are catching on.
Wakey wakey people. These machines are computers that are designed to make profit - and lots of it!! They come with 'wealth warnings' - stickers saying that they will pay out less than they take in - now come on, it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to work out that you will lose money playing them, yet they're still so popular, why??? I for one hate the very site of them and I feel for the people who are clearly ADDICTED to them. |
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Apologies, Toronto, I must have confused with someone else who has a pathological hatred of bookies and FOBTs. For your information, I do not push the machines and never have done. No free bets, no promotions, no policy of 'dragging people into addiction' (talk about hyperbole or do you mean managers standing outside shops and dragging old ladies in off the street and make them throw the last of their pensions in the machines until they become so addicted they have to sell their council houses for their next fix).
I have machines in my shop for customers who enjoy playing them. People from all walks of life who enjoy spending their money and leisure time as they please, whether it be fishing, golf, bingo, racing or roulette. |
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Toronto, your agenda is that Hills sacked you and you hate all bookmakers because of it.
I've also never worked for a bookmakers, and I too think your comments are unbridled shyte. |
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Probably because they hit a nerve Gonzo.
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Probably because they hit a nerve Gonzo.
Keep dreaming. |