Jeeez..Also Mumbo Jumbo at 6/1 and Cadeaux Pearl at 14/1(r4).Unfortunately in each-way singles.What an aftertimer if I had done a multiple I could have been that alleged bot !!

Corbiewood, for the little it's worth, I would be saying the same thing if a bookmaker had put 29-1 up about a 2-1 chance and punters had piled on, as I'm sure you know.

Good to see you are still about, haven't seen you post for some time now...

That is true Mover. Although I understand Mourad was backed at 1.03 and 1.04 because the automated systems were seeing 21m of a lay at 28/1 on VLV and were following the logic which had been programmed into them. The whole **** market turned into a bit of a fiasco too as a result of what was going on here, as did the place market here.

I believe that to have been the case SoYouThink but I can only base my betting based on what I see on the screen. After I'd placed my bets (we're not talking 1000's here) my concern was that the horse would be disqualified for something or other so although I have my stake back (plus the winnings on the race from my pre-race bet) I do feel I've had winning bets taken away through no fault of my own.

Zaynar, I will explain my point of view one more time.

I do not think what Betfair have done is fair. Certain people have lost vasts amounts as a result of yesterday's glitch and they have a strong case against Betfair. Others have profitted too by the way.

You, as it appears from reading this thread, have just seen 28/1, chanced your hand, and are now demanding you get paid at 28/1. Betfair have been fair to you by returning your stake in my opinion. The idea that you percieved it to be value is neither here nor there, everyone would have percieved 28/1 on a horse 4L clear on the run-in as value. The whole point of a bet is that both persons who strike it percieve their view as value (either as a bet on it's own, and in conjunction with another bet). That's the whole point. It wasn't really "a bet".

In reply to your last comment, I would think it sums you up more as a person if you are intent on pursuing this, rather than me for disagreeing with something that is morally wrong.

zaynar i lost £3 on mount macleod

Oh and it was a bet as it was struck in-running the same as the 100's of other bets i've done or are they not bets?

You are deliberately missing the point now Zaynar. I have explained what I meant by the term "bet" above and how it differs from the 100s of other bets you do, yet you have ignored this.

Why is it morally wrong to pursue this? - See above post from me.

Why should I be grateful betfair returned my stake? - See above post from me.

Are they allowed to keep whatever money they want now? - See above post from me.

All questions answered already. Judging by your ability to debate on this thread, I would say you have a good chance in court.

I agree with you homefortea. And I accept everything is black and white.

But the problem is there is no money to honour the bets.

I can only assume if someone had liabilities of 28,000 (1000 at 29) without the money being in their account then the same thing would have happened - in theory. Although I understand the reason the bet got through was because of the magnitude of the lay. Had the same punter tried to lay 1000, it would have rejected the bet because the funds weren't there.

As I have said, and continue to say, I do not believe anybody who backed 28/1 are entitled to anything.

This is fact and I sit in a in running shop.

Approxamately just after the second fence the odds and ammount were there , the posistion of the horse in the race was second last.At that point I placed a vet of £100.00 @ 29.0, as the race progressed the odds never changed. All in the shop backed the horse at various stages throughout the race including me.

Everyone in this shop had punted there stake well before the second last and as far as I am aware no one backed it after the result was known.

People need to get away from the illusion that the horse was backed by the majority after the horse crossed the line, I would imagine and dont think I will be far wrong here about 80% of the money staked was well before half way.

there was 21m available so thats why the price stayed there so long,it wasnt all matched

It's the same principle Masked Magician.

Surely when you and your mates seen the volume of money waiting to lay at 28/1, you realised all was not right?

Yet you genuinely thought you had backed the second fav at 28/1 and would get away with it?

spot on so you think,betfair havent done anything wrong here and are right to void

2nd fence after a minute is right

Count me in.  If nothing else it will force Betfair to reveal what really happened.

@ Jaja

,no one has actually lost any money from this,all in running stakes were refunded

Person backs horse at 29 for £1k on Betfair

Then Lays for 1K @ 14 on Bet Daq (Liab. 13K)

They have lost £13K

masked magician
This is fact and I sit in a in running shop.

Approxamately just after the second fence the odds and ammount were there, as the race progressed the odds never changed.

This is fact;

The odds never changed, alarm bells as accountee's heart fails just like yours would have had it happened to you.
Let it go, the right decision has been made...

Jaja....People will have had computer software backing here and laying on ****. For big amounts.

They mightn't have been near a PC at the time all this happened.

They way I see it is the money is in the market, then it's fair game to be bet with

If betfair had came out and said this guy didn't place the bet it was a mistake fair enough

but why would you try and lay something at that price for that amount of money

To me the guy was being an idiot glitch or no glitch, all money in his account at the time should be taken out and distributed amoounst winners wether it's £600 or the £23,000,000 liab that was matched