The ride on Adayar was either tactically thought out by Charlie and William because they felt he wouldn't quicken on the ground in a bunch or William has gone far too soon and got it a bit wrong.

Sorry kings. Can I ask why you didn't back it? You called it a 12/1 shot, and it was 140/1. Sorry dude. Nothing worse than missing a bet wanted. I lumped on Tanarwa.

Angela Rebecchi
Sorry kings. Can I ask why you didn't back it? You called it a 12/1 shot, and it was 140/1. Sorry dude. Nothing worse than missing a bet wanted. I lumped on Tanarwa.

If read back a few posts you will see that yesterday I transferred Euro 200 from my KBC Bank online to Betfair.
This morning I asked Betfair why it was not in my account.
They said they want to reconcile all the attempted deposits from everyone with the actual deposits received before putting the money in my account.
They will do that reconciliation this evening, and I will have the Euro 200 in my account probably tomorrow.

Moneytree and kincsem - never though I would be linked with him.

So basically, all the long-winded expert analysis and statistical speculation etc: on this thread, from Day 1, has been a load of hogwash - as I ever suspected.  Apart from one piece of inspired speculation by kincsem.  And that is no denigration of individuals who have posted their fancies and stuck with them, based on racecourse performances!
And as for Sandown bleating about childishness - what is this post if it doesn't fit his own bill?!

Sandown    02 Oct 21 09:28
Still to finalise my final plans but in re-calibrating because of the likely very soft even  heavy ground tomorrow I realise that there is a case to be made for ....?

Which horse has close-up 10f form behind St Marks Basilica, the top-rated turf horse this year?

And has winning form at Longchamp  on heavy ground?

And has been trained with the Arc its as its target all year?

And has a pedigree which indicates that it will be better when it steps up to 12f for the first time?

Tarnawa, right.


Wrong

Well done.  Wish I had.  Mind you if you don;t have a bet you can't!!! 

What is wrong with you Honcho, everyone is entitled to opinions:
On page one I said that I would be laying Love at any single figure price as her form hadn't worked out.
I explained why I was laying Hurricane Lane based not just on stats for Leger winners, but on his appearance after winning the Irish Derby and St Leger with links to a video.
and last night I posted this:
On heavy going it's anyone's guess.  German  horses are used to it and run on desperate ground all the time.  German breds especially like it.  Torquator Tasso is by Adlerflug who won the German Derby on heavy.  His dam, Tijuana is descended from Acatenango who was 3 times champion German horse and also German Derby winner.
If enough of the fancied horses can't perform on the going (or are withdrawn) there could be room for Torquator Tasso to run into a place.

I got a text message from KBC debit card people.  Please phone them.
They want to discuss a payment of Euro 200 I tried to make yesterday to Betfair.
I phoned them.  They wanted to know my date of birth, mother's maiden name, the amount of the payment and the payee.
Too late KBC bank.

Unless I am buying groceries in Tesco or fuel at the service station they block every debit card payment.
Last week they would not pay GBP 68 to the BHA for annual renewal of my racing colours.
I paid GBP 3,000 to the BHA for the special jockey colours, and if I did not pay the annual charge I would lose the colours.
I drove from Tipperary to KBC Bank, StillorgaN, Dublin and back, 309 kilometers, to pay GBP 68.

Hopefully some damage limitation from Suesa in the Abbaye. I see her as the clear pick and am hoping for a return to form on this ground after the slow start run at York. If she's done for the season I wouldn't be surprised whatever won.

And just to cap it all, backed Space Blues at York last time and vowed to stick with him for the Foret. Decided, however, to sit the race out after earlier results

The aim today was to find the winner or somehow turn a profit (I failed miserably), so in regards to that it matters not whether today's race was a very good one or not. I didn't back Danedream when she won, but had no doubts afterwards that she'd put up a quality  performance. Just wondering how most people view it as a piece of form going forward? Has Torquator Tasso turned into a real star since beaten by Alpinista? Was beating Passion And Glory over 4 lengths much better than it looked at the time? Was today's moderate final time entirely due to the slow early pace and would the winner be capable of clocking something really good? No surprise that I'm doubtful that this was a performance to be rated up with the better Arcs.

For me the form means little - the race was too slow - perhaps in relative terms even slower than last year. Faster ground and a truly run race you'd get a completely different result - but that's how the Arc is.

I still believe Adayar is the best horse in that field - I posted here a few days ago he'd have to make his own running which is a big ask for a horse that races keenly. In the King George Broome did Adayar a favour by giving him a lead but no such luck today. Buick probably dropped the pace too much midway through the race and it turned into a sprint in the soft - Adayar wasn't stopping but the others found more speed in the conditions.

Incidentally i don't think I've seen a jockey who I'd trust to judge the pace correctly since Steve Cauthen.

I still believe Adayar is the best horse in that field

Me too, but can sound like sour grapes having backed him. There's no moral victory in saying you backed the best horse but it was well beaten. If he'd shown that kind of form before the KG I wouldn't have touched him with a bargepole at Ascot and don't see how anyone could say he ran the same race, but that's the known risk when a horse hasn't shown any very recent form on a racecourse. It wasn't ideal to be in front so early, but, for me, the way things panned out he had every chance and wasn't winning however the race had been run. Even though he obviously ran the better of the two Godolphin runners I actually don't believe Hurricane Lane was quite at his best either, I think the Leger took the edge off him. It will be interesting to see which will make the best 4yo. If they both improve in line with wfa or maybe one was simply more precocious than the other as a 3yo.

Hard luck for Tarnawa backers and she went closer than I thought her early price entitled her to, which just shows how an ideal preparation can be more important than weights and measures. I never would've backed the winner but, in all honesty, with Adayar not good enough on the day I can't say any result would've really shocked me.

I've gone e.w. on the German outsider, they are often unconsidered yet go well on heavy.. and he actually has some good form.. quite a few just aren't going to show their best in these conditions..

Adelaide, apologies for forgetting this post. A perfect summary. Very well done on your win

Even sweeter then, nice one.

every now and then something strange happens in a big race......today was one of those. nothing in the form book to suggest this horse would beat tarnawa, hurricane lane and adayar.........just like when arabian queen beat golden horn in the juddemont.

watched it,quite good.

Didn't need to show the whole post - the embedded sarcasm and haughty, superior attitude was the point.  All you had to say was there is another horse who also fits that description.  You're always the same - think you know it all and are the only one with a valid viewpoint.

Marksman... yeah I don't like cams usually but this was worth it... I couldn't understand the shouting, I didn't know what was going on there..  As Deep Bond didn't make the running, it seemed like they used Adayar as the pacemaker for HL, knowing it couldn't win on the ground..?.   Soumillon seemed to have them all covered and always going the best..
It was also enlightening to see all the turns at Longchamp..

One other thing, surely Snowfall has been totally overrated...?..

Unless he could not get through it seems the incorrect choice for Adayar to lead.

Hurricane Led followed the pacemaker and attacked a long way out in the Paris , I was really surprised they did not perform similar tactics.