I think the 3 principal runners including the fav represent value. And, if they turn up next saturday they'd be a lot shorter eg Pinatubo (4/6); Arizona (7/2) and Kameko (6/1).

6 day decs 12.00 today, doubt we,ll get 8 at the post

If I remember correctly the final dec is 48 hrs prior to race eg 4th June.

The support for Arizona seems to have dried up. He's out to 9/1 here. Could it be the anticipated good to firm ground and/or Moore may opt for Wichita instead?

Pinatubo is 10lbs superior to the next best, and still available at 5/6. But, this being his 1st race of the 3yr old season I think he'd have been a long odds on.

I think the Godolphin horses must ensure the jolly is protected eg riding shotgun eg the protection of Saxon Warrior had in 2018, and not allow the Coolmore horses to deliberately block his passage at the critical juncture of the race. I hope a fair race to be had by all.

We are nearly there ladies and gentlemen and good luck to what you all fancy.

What is my view now ?

In all honestly, I might back the fav again in the next couple of days.

Personaly, I have my biggest position since Coombs Ditch went off fav for the Gold Cup many, many years ago. (Bled and was beat at the top of the hill)

I just have this overiding view that this horse is very, very special, and will probably win towing a cart.

Famouse last, and final last words.

Yep great bet OP , I have decent prices on Kinross , purely on the basis of his first run at HQ . Yes Newcastle was pretty bad , but so was the ride he got .Think may be drawn slightly better but who knows .

pinatubo the most likely winner on form and 10 pound clear on ratings ,when was the last time something was this far ahead going into a guineas ? at around evs its either the bet of the decade or do the layers know something we dont ? the old adadage "if something looks too good to be true comes to mind . the attheraces interview with matt chapman and kevin blake was interesting and threw up a bit of speculation .

Good Luck WhiteHat

Strong winds forecast for tomorrow. Buick can get plenty of shelter drawn 7 and take it up 1/2 furlong out. Military March staying on at the end for a place and will be Derby fav tomorrow after the race.

Antepost Bets:
2pts Al Suhail @ 200/1
1 pt Kinross @ 25/1

Todays Bets:
1pt Wichita @ 14/1
0,5pt Cepheus @ 329/1

Anyone else think the 8s about the Derby is not bad price? I have already backed the fav before today but I do think the Derby could be his next race if he wins so I have jumped before being pushed. His trainer said today has already earmarked Ghaiyyath for the Eclipse and I really cannot see the Sheikh going for the St James Palace in a couple of weeks time so I do think the Derby is the aim providing everything goes well today.

It is 50 years this year to Nijinsky winning the 2000 Guineas and then the Derby and he was also 8s for the Derby just before the Guineas. Like Pinatubo Nijinsky's first wins were over 6 furlongs and he ended up winning the Dewhurst. Nijinsky was not a certain stayer on breeding but  O'Brien thought he would win the Guineas so trained him for the Derby from the start of is 3 year old career.

I think if he wins today in the style he should that 8's will look pretty big.

brigust1
don't forget the Eclipse is for older
horses only,this year.

Think the fav will win (if trained on)
So a couple of smallish plays in the 4pls market only for me 2day.
Like Kamako & Arizona to be involved, high draw could well be favoured, they want to use that & sit handy.
Gd luck with your bets lads.

Take the National Stakes win off Pinatubo's record and he was still obviously a very good 2yo. In my view the best of the rest of his form would still give him a favourite's chance of winning an average Guineas. However, he is being talked of as something very special purely because of the Curragh win. After initially being sucked in by the performance I came to the conclusion before the Dewhurst that the Curragh victory flattered him and he was merely on par with a typical Guineas winner. At Newmarket he put up the kind of form I expected. So yes he can win a Guineas but for me he is no superstar. Even if he does win today, unless he puts up a performance to change my opinion I will be looking to oppose him in future. Very well done to those on earlier at big prices, particularly WhiteHatJon, but, as for today, I'm always reluctant to take a short price on horses who haven't proved their well being in the same season so no surprise that I won't be backing him.

It looks a race without much depth. If backing any of O'Brien's more fancied pair you have to hope they can improve a fair bit or the fav runs a stinker. Either is possible but I can't back them. Kameko's Futurity win looks short of Guineas level to me. He could still be improving but he's not for me. Kinross is the interesting one. Very impressive on debut, and while the times were a bit inconclusive that day it's likely he recorded a high figure. Unfortunately that is the only race to judge him on, as I have no doubts he underperformed at Newcastle. Always a doubt when backing a horse after a poor second start with only a debut run as a guide but I have to have a few quid on him.

Well done Kameko backers and a great ride from Murphy.

First thoughts were that the front group got at it a long way out while Murphy from on the inner tucked in behind and took a breather two out and then came with a wet sail. They went too fast for Arizona and the Frankel horse on the rails kept plugging on. Apparently he has been flying at home whereas the fav according to his trainer doesn't do more than necessary. The 2nd is bred to be fast and looked it on that ground and with that time.
Not sure where they are going to go with the fav but I have had a few on for Epsom at large just in case. Possibly find out more. Arizona ran a strange race.

Possibly they went too fast for him and he then dropped out. The fav did stay on and only finished just over a length off the winner who is now the Derby favourite and may just have had the run of the race. Maybe I'm clutching at straws. The second horse won't be Derby bound.

race being a month late probably didn't help Pinatubo who may not have come on over the winter allowing progressive types to overtake him