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2020 - 2,000 Guineas Thread
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I’ve decided that the biggest danger to the red hot favourite is housed in the same stable.
Al Suhail, who appears to have been more highly rated at home than Pinatubo, and who clearly has stacks of natural ability though is a total dog who finds nothing off the bridle. But at well over 100/1 I’ll be chucking a few quid on each week.  |
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"Most bookmakers' ante-post terms and conditions stress that a bet will stand if a race has been rescheduled at the same racecourse. However, the bet will be void if the race takes place at a different track."
Based on the above and assuming Betfair adopt the same approach my personal hope is that the 2000 Guineas is run at a rescheduled Rowley Mile. Any result will do for me but would really like to see Pinatubo replicate his two year old performances. My view is a win or encouraging staying on performance would result in a Derby participation(a la Masar) and the trading can recommence. Ultimately I would like to see him progress to be a very special colt. |
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The exchange market is likely to be voided according to Betfair's rules.
3.Abandonments, Cancellations, Postponements •Some markets have different rules and these are listed in the Specific Sports Rules and/or the Market Information. However, where a market has no rules in the Specific Sports Rules or the Market Information in relation to an abandonment, cancellation and/or postponement the following shall apply. •In relation to any match, fixture, game, individual event, race or similar: If the event is not completed within three days after the scheduled completion date, then all bets on markets for this event will be void, except for bets on any markets that have been unconditionally determined. |
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Thank you for this Jack.
As this thread would indicate, I have a rather large interest on one of the more fancied runners for this event. For the record, I have not layed the beast on here, so from a purely selfish perspective all I want is the race to proceed at Newmarket some time in 2020. Apologies to those involved on here though. |
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For the 2000 --All bets will be void in the event that horses from jurisdictions outside of the UK, deemed to make a material difference to the market, are prevented from entering this race. In some markets the French horse is second fav, and that would also include the Irish republic's and possibly any from Northern Ireland. They may be entered but won't be allowed to travel over.
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See there has been a move for my tip Al Suhail - now as low as 20/1.
Currently over £4k green on him so hope he at least makes the gig.  |
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it seems that siskin wont be running
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ive layed the fav, so i want all the french / irish horses to run, but ante post is ante post and if they dont come over i dont think the market should be void
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Do we know what O'Brien plans to send over?
And are we assuming a maximum field with no prep races. Could there be a massive shock due to the disrupted prep. Highland Chief has plenty of ability at 1000s on here! |
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Ger Lyons is quoted in the Guardian saying that there is a rumour that Arizona is burning up the gallops and a drone could not keep up with him but then said they should sack the drone operator!
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This is scheduled for 29th May and the Irish equivalent 12th June. Will Arizona turn up given it's only a 2 weeks' interval if Pinatubo is present? Siskin is being kept at home apparently.
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Sorry, the above is on 6th June and Irish 2000G on 12th June. As such, will Arizona run here instead of in Ireland? Highly unlikely here unless Pinatubo is an absentee, I'd think.
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if betfair void the exchange ante post market as seems without many irish/ french not here, i dont know the rule with ladbrokes but i would say the 11/10 on offer might seem massive if they keep the race open
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the french and irish are allowed over according to twitter racing post this morning .
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earthlight 8/1 2nd fav with some, 50/1 on here
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The present antepost betting will not be voided if the Irish horses do not travel as the reschedule race is at the same venue. I thought Irish and foreign horses and their grooms will need to observe a 14-day quarantine rule regardless; Alson will represent A.Fabre here.
The present price of Pinatubo does not reflect his superiority over his adversaries, and neither is the price of Arizona (12 here) who was only 2l inferior to Pinatubo; Arizona is also the clear 2nd fav...unless he'd be a non-traveller. |
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If the fav turns up, this will be a one horse race. Simples.
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Based on the O'Brien MO he'll definitely send horses over to Newmarket if he can - the closeness of the English and Irish Guineas means he'll be able to get the Group One black type for potentially six horses by sending different teams for each Guineas.
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On last season Arizona had the best form on a line with Pinatubo, the top horse. But, the two Guineases is only a week apart; send Arizona and get a potential drubbing (again) or gain a probable Gp 1 win (if Siskin does not stay). No brainer, and wait for St James's at Royal Ascot for a showdown perhaps.
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I'd quietly fancy Arizona to get a lot closer to Pinatubo on better ground.
They're saying that the people looking after them will have to isolate for two weeks before the race if English horses go to Ireland, so the Irish Guineas is very likely to be Irish runners only, so I'd suspect O'Brien will send the B team to that race, myself. |
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Arizona is 3/1 jtfav with Siskin for the Irish equivalent, but 12/1 for this.
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where did you get the prices from?
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Oddschecker. He's 7/2 best with 'laddies'.
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Connections are pleased with Pinatubo. Let's hope he shows up on 6th June at Newmarket and rewrite history.
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I will take a chance on Alson at the price (have 25s ) ,given the line through Armoury and the hoped for improvement of Fabre . A bit of give would probably help .
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Arizona 10s for Irish on sportsbook
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Arizona is, here and 'paddies' others much shorter. Inside info undoubtedly; AOB gunning for 2 Guineases. If fruitful, Royal Ascot beckons for his "winner" here.
Let's hope we see a true champion miler. |
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Racing Post are reporting that the plan is to send over Arizona and Wichita, in case anyone missed it.
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I cannot read the article in the RP, but its headline indicated AOB "was still plotting and could send 2 colts to Newmarket to tackle Pinatubo".
"Could" normally would mean less likely; 10/1 here for the Irish version is tempting. |
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Yeah I’ve took the 10s, assuming I can cash out if everybody else pushes em out, with the hope Irish horses can’t/don’t travel and I’ll have up until decs to get out I think
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the 'rules' state all bets are off if a horse outside the UK deemed 'material' to the race
is 'prevented' from running. Can Bf list such horses please. I can see Arizona and Wichita but assume Alson@38 wouldn't be 'material' - Thanks |
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Not sure on the above but read earlier that Alson has been left in the French 2000.
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I'm sure the chance of this rule being applied is very small but it does rather muddy the waters. This is to Bf really, why not identify the horses at risk of being 'prevented' from running and let the market determine the price or treat any such non runner the same as a balloted out horse and apply a small deduction to the remaining horses but let the market stand
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Any news from Ballydoyle on confirmed runners?
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No horse is prevented from running as long as they abide by the quarantine rule for overseas runners ie 14 days for horse and groom. It's not that overseas runners are barred from taking part due to Covid-19. They can run provided they follow the measures set out by the BHA and government.
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AOB could have 5 for this headed by Arizona nevertheless, 'billies' are still offering 7/1, and only 3/1 for the Irish version; Pinatubo is into odds-on with every firm.
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another one looks nr, thread
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oops threat
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kameko must be burning the gallops this morning into single figures now
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