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Tingle Creek (9th Dec)
Tingle Creek (9th Dec)
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I don't regard the sandown card as something to savour at all.
Henry v111 is interesting,but the TC is poor as is the rest of the card in my opinion. Coulple of fair races at Aintree,but a Saturday to savour?not for me. Agree,impossible I too think gets unfair treatment on here. |
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Just read this whole thread,sad I know,but I find it interesting.
It's clear that there are people on here that care a lot about the sport and it's integrity,and it's clear that there are people who won't have a bad word said about Mullins and co. For me the integrity of the sport and Mullins and co are very much related. I hope at some stage soon the media,the ruling bodies of the sport,and anyone else of note,take a good look at the situation. Too much is happening for coincidence imo. |
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Nearly all trainers seem to have poor runs but when some are winning, the odd blip can be due to an individual horse rather than the whole yard. Nicholls had his first 2 tailed off and pulled up yesterday but then the next won. Then Modus ran a shocker. Tizzard had two winners and a good second then White Moon ran a shocker. I would be more worried about Tom George whose horses are running OK but too many end up fading towards the finish and Hobbs and King are on a very low win percentage recently. I have always been led to believe that flu jabs have a big influence and that trainers tend to do most of them at the same time.
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Still happy with 8.6 Politologue but it will probably be cancelled now that I have actually beaten SP.
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its a shame people aren't more knowledgable about horses
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I have been around horses all my 73 years as a farmer, horse owner and breeder on a very small scale and now as an armchair fan but I am still learning!
The average punter has no real concept of what horses are actually like to break in, ride or feed never mind train and race. |
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Doesnt matter how many years folks have been round horses its uncanny how a market can tell you 24 hours in advance of how the horse is going to be in his work the following day.
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Hard to oppose the favourite.Win bet.
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You only notice the ones that shorten and win. There a re a few of course that the trainer has more info than us-2yo's especially but plenty more where they don't. It was obvious from the market that both of the other trainers thought they would beat Nicholls in the first at Aintree but they were soon put in their place.
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Trainers only know when they won't win. Not when they will. You can't know what shape your opposition is in and so no matter how fit your horse is, you're only guessing.
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Trainers only know when they won't win. Not when they will. You can't know what shape your opposition is in and so no matter how fit your horse is, you're only guessing.
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True Desmond. However, when you have Frankel you have a rough idea even if you come against Nathaniel on debut.
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Yee Haaaaa> For once I took a decent ante post price and it came good. I feared the worst when he sweated up so much but jumped for fun and brave in a finish.
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Well done Sageform, great round of jumping there.
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Nice one, Sage!
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spot on sage , i have three and not a week goes by without a niggle.
punters dont realise how hard it is to get a horse to a race fit let alone win the race |
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'sageform', well done! That is the joy of getting it right, and commiseration to those that backed Douvan and/or UDS.
There are several posters here who are not conducive to the majority of my posts, regardless, but that has not deterred me from posting; this is a forum and as such, every opinion/post absent of personal insult and/or infantile behaviour are acceptable to me. I also have several posters here on 'ignore' as their contributions do not sway and/or influence my opinion or betting - I do not need them, period. My previous specialty is Financial in the City, and what was spouted by Mr Chapman using 'Insider Trading' as a comparison to the shenanigans of the scratchings of two of Mullins' runners in the the Tingle Creek Chase at the final decs this year on the Opening Show this morning to betting Antepost was a clear indication the individual had little knowledge of what 'Insider Trading' was. There was no mention on why UDS was also withdrawn from the race despite the horse's trainer clearly stated UDS was there as a back-up should Douvan not make the line-up. Also, Chapman needed not to claim to be speaking on behalf of punters - he does not, and do not be deluded, Mr Chapman; Fitzy and Harvey did no better - they were conspicuously silent, and looked sheepish, to say the least. I guess they were also feeding from the same trough financed by the bookies hence the uneasiness! |
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sageform, well done!
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We can all be thankful for the fact those insiders who knew Douvan wasnt running and were backing Fox Norton instead before news was released did their money.
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Well done Sage - presumably part of your reason for taking the 13/2 antepost when you did was that you felt there was a really good chance that Douvan wouldn't show up so well done for using your brains.
 The withchunt againt Willie from some people is really getting tired and I'm glad these peple lost money - no doubt these same people will back or lay Mullins horses in the future (Footpad for example) in the hope of beating the market and then crow about when it goes there way.  Again there seems to be no interest (either here or in the press)about the situation with Special Tiara, who is after all the reigning Champion chaser, who wasn't declared, even when they were re-offered the chance in the full knowledge that Douvan and UDS were absent. Double standards?? |
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Do we know how Special Tiara is? Did we get any quotes from his connections in the lead up to this race?
We certainly had quotes re Douvan and UDS.We were led to believe one of them would run.Neither did for whatever reason,well we know why UDS did not hes running in a grade 2 today instead,thats another reigning champion. I am so glad I do not indulge in short priced horses antepost,and I do feel sympathy for those that did on this occasion cos they have been put away imo. I for one ill continue to say how I feel about Mullins and co.....as I would with anyone that I feel is putting the integrity of our sport in jeopardy,and I genuinely feel they are. Its not coincidence....,.. this sort of thing happens too much with this lot imo. What happened with Douvan this time last year was bad,and what happened with Vatour in the lead up to his Ryanair was an absolute disgrace. |
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a very good performance from the nicholls horse yesterday and an attractive price for the champion come march ,matt chapman said after the tingle creek "we all know adouvan and altior are head and shoulders above these lot " ............ how does he know that ?,you cant be certain how well douvan has recovered from his setback and altior wont run untill march according to hendo . politilogue is improving and nicholls said after the exeter win he would come on for the race , politilogue should continue his progression and what with the doubts surrounding the 2 at the head of the market come march the 10/1 shortly after the tingle creek and 8s now could look very big indeed , who knows if altior or douvan will make the gig ? afew thought that fox norton should have won given a better ride ! may be so ! but nicholls said politilogue idled when in front on the run in and the fact that tizzard said they are stepping fox norton up in distance next time suggests to me that they think the winner won on merit .
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At their best, Altior and Douvan would make mincemeat out of Politologue and Fox Norton
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Could buddilea and impossible123 explain their apparent lack of outrage as to why the likes of top notch, gods own and josses hill are not running in the grade 1 at punchestown today but were instead declared for a grade 2 over the same trip at huntington. Despicable behaviour from the connections i presume?
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thats the point ! "at their best " will they be at their best and who knows how much improvement is to come from nicholls horse ,at the prices now and considering the "ifs and buts i know which in would rather be on at this stage , for one reason or another doubts about special tiara ,altior ,douvan ,fox norton probably stepping up in dist ...........not a lot left !
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But the point is, Woody, they're not at their best, or they would've lined up yesterday. We might never see them at their best again.
Besides which, hype aside, I'm not sure what piece of form puts Altior head and shoulders above those two horses. As regards Imps diatribe......the usual double standards apply as he openly admitted to having this seasons Arc thread pulled because he didn't like the exchange between two other posters that had no bearing on him whatsoever. So he can keep his sanctimonious twaddle about forums and opinions to himself. I firmly believe, all things being equal etc etc etc |
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my replys taking ages to appear...........at their best ! thats the point do you take a chance on douvan and altior being at their best at short odds .............
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Mine too, sorry Foyles, basically repeated what you said
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the hype around douvan and to a lesser extent altior is incredible but welcome imo as it lengthens the odds on the overlooked horses and gives good value opportunitys
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ftv
I have no idea why those horses were not entered in Ireland today. Their does seem to be a shyness for British trainers to go over there in the winter months though,and aside from the odd exceptions pretty much that's always been the case as far as I recall. I don't think it despicable behaviour or have outrage over the decision for UDS to run in a grade 2 rather than defend his victory in the TC,just found it strange. What I did not like was the trainer saying that one of them would come over,and neither did,and the betting patterns on here raised the issue of whats been discussed on here,and also just now on ATR. Messrs Henderson and co gave us no indication that their horses may go to Ireland,and no iffy betting patterns arised,so basically I have no outrage there either. If this was the 1st time Mullins and co were discussed on here and in the media re this sort of thing...fair enough,but it aint!! |
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Yes fellas, ive been put away and lost far too much already betting short on horses not even getting a run coz of fitness issues (lumped on Faugheen for the Champion this year, excellent prices too and we know what happened there - That's the reason didn't back him for next March before his recent saunter, despite attractive odds). Thought Thistlecrack a brilliant horse but wouldn't touch him with a barge pole now, he's another one who doesn't seem to stand up to racing. Excellent for the sport if they bounce back. Sprinter Sacre did it, so who knows?
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Where or when did Mullins say that one or other would definitely go for the Tingle Creek?
I can answer that myself- he didn't say any such thing. What he did say was that assuming all 3 horses satisfied him during the week then one would run in each of the 3 big races this weekend. Douvan didn't satisfy him and he was therefore correct not to run and he stuck to his original plan with the other 2.This nonsense that UDS would definitely go for the Tingle Creek if Douvan didn't is purely a product of Imp123's twisted imagination and is proof that if you spit out a lie often enough then people will assume its true. And to keep regurgitating last year's Tingle Creek betting fiasco and blaming Mullins for it is more pure nonsense.That was 100% caused by bookies and trigger happy punters as you are well aware |
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Mullins said: "He has entries in the Hilly Way, John Durkan and Tingle Creek. I would say that the Tingle Creek looks like the one at the moment.
"We have got to pencil one in and the other races will be considered, but the Tingle Creek would be number one. Everything has been very good with him." Ok,not definite I concede,but that was the plan. I have no issue if a horse don't get declared cos it aint right,of course I don't,but I do have an issue when these betting fiascos seem to revolve around this yard. Anyway,i have my opinion on this yard and his main owner.......I just don't trust them,and cannot see that changing anytime soon, but I doubt if you or anyone else are really bothered about my opinion. As for UDS,if Mullins never intended running him in the TC,then I will apologise for saying he did,i honestly thought he had after reading through this thread,and must admit I thought he would be over in the absence of Douvan.....in fact I thought he should defend his win anyway,but again that's just my opinion. |
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unclepuncle, I backed Politologue as soon as the market came up after backing him at Exeter and reading the post race comments from Paul Nicholls. He hasn't been that bullish since Kauto Star. I will be just as keen in March regardless of who else turns up. I believe that Altior was head and shoulders the best novice last year and there is every chance that IF they get him back he will demolish everything but after last March, I would not back Douvan with free money.
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The front two in the betting market both have a doubt about them eg wind op might not be totally successful for Altior, and pelvic injury could prevent Douvan performing at his best again. If so, Politologue could be the one to capitalise unless Min shows up which is most likely if Douvan (same ownership) defects.
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It could be all is not well with Douvan and he is being used as a decoy by the trainer to leave easier fields for his other animals.
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With reference to Dec 9th post, seems you've all been spared a naked picture of me. Fox silly price. Thought over-rated after previous victory and so it proved
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lot of people seem to think that irish trainers should run all their best horses in the english races
why should this be the case ? |
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irishone, that had never entered mu mind. UDS was the reigning champion; Mullins stipulated he was left in at the final dec as a precaution should Douvan not make it.
Douvan and UDS failed to show despite ideal conditions for the latter. |
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So every horse should be expected to "defend" its title regardless of conditions, alternative options or owner preference. It was clear that the Cork race was the plan with all the owners and family present with scarves etc. Why risk coming over to Sandown where a) he might not have won. b) Travel arrangements for horse and owners might have been difficult. If they had come over and stayed in London, they might still be there!
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