And Champions Day.

Harry, I thought Answered went a decent enough clip, the time might've been slow compared to the 6 and 7f races but the round course is often softer and the time stands up well in comparison to the others. I thought it was a good test in the ground and personally I've always thought she'd be shown to best effect at 12f, whether she's good enough is another matter.

difficult figgis i thought they didn't do a tap for 2f then just went a nice even gallop, i find races like this difficult to get a proper gauge on in all fairness and am guessing to the true value of the time...answered is a good stick in my book but he wouldn't of been suited to this speed test as he needs further and was sitting duck to the speed horse, so i am just happy to just say she appears in good form but just have a nagging doubt that she wont get 1m4f at a proper pace i could be wrong and like i say i do like her, i just need to see her do it before committing to the belief she will get the distance and will find out in the vermeille which is normally a proper test unlike the other trails run on trails day

Also worth remembering AOB stated she had a ''cold'' or somekind of setback prior to the Guineas hence why she did not run and ran in a Group 3 the next day as it was an ''easier'' start point...i.e gallop! They could have save her all year for the Autumn races.

Second Sunday in September.

If it isn't allowed then I'm sorry to say but I will not re-submit because I didn't keep a copy. Thjere was nothing contentious at all so I do not know what is going on unless it is a glitch in the filter. If its lost, then I am mightily p****d off.

It was lengthy submission,Figgis, so very annoying. The essence of my post was that we can't expect Treve to have improved and that it is most likely that there will be a 3 yr old claiming the allowances that will beat her.

Of the French opposition, I find New Bay difficult to get a handle on as the PDJC wasn't run in a great time and the form behind doesn't amount to much. Likewise the GPDP was a slowly run race and so the form of Erupt is a bit suspect. That said, the Arc hasn't always been run at a great pace in recent years and it could well be a horse that's given a good ride with the ability to quicken off a slow pace that comes out on top. Also both of those runners are relatively fresh which can prove decisive.

The HM - any idea what Doumen is going to do with Sea Calisi ?

It was interesting to hear Criquette describe Sea Calisi as the best filly in France  I thought, btw.  Definitely wants adding to the Arc market.

Paddy have made a move and pushed Golden Horn right out to 12/1 today. Wonder what they've heard.

Happens regularly Sandown, certainly has done to me but usually ok the next day.

I've decided to follow a few of you in on Found. Be interested in what other 3yo fillies turn up from GB & Ireland as well.

Sea Calisi was further back than intended at York and finishing well. Certainly of interest if supplemented.

cheers feltfair

Just reflecting on Workforce getting beat by Harbinger,then 2 months  later winning the Arc, the excuse many gave for Workforce was the Ground when beaten?, it must have been more than just that?, but in Golden Horns position right now,the trip would be the excuse or perhaps not?, but surely a bigger factor combined with ground than the Workforce excuses?

Seek fast ground Mr Gosden,  in America.

MJ, the Oaks was run in a very ordinary time plus Legatissimo had just had a hard race in the Guineas. Personally I don't rate the Oaks form highly. For me, Qualify ran almost as fast when finishing eleven and a half lengths behind Jack Hobbs as she did when winning the Oaks, just one pound lower.

I agree with penzance. They seemed determined to keep her at shorter trips early this year, one run over 7f and two at a mile. If she'd have achieved what they wanted in the mile Gp1s I seriously doubt we'd be seeing them taking this route. I still find that surprising though as I think most of us on here saw her as more of an Oaks filly.

her best trip will be > 1m so why keep her to that ?

Which is the point I was making about how she was campaigned earlier on this season. It seems that last year she was considered a filly whose future would be over further than a mile, like many of us thought, although it obviously makes sense to try and bag a Guineas beforehand. On missing the English Guineas she was aimed at a 7f Gp3, probably in need of the race but when she didn't show enough toe to catch Pleascach in the Irish 1000 I thought a step up in trip would've been the obvious next move. Admittedly they already had Legatissimo for the Oaks but they haven't exactly been reluctant to run more than one in an Epsom classic before. It was the choice of the Coronation Stakes as a next race that I found odd, as there were still other chances to step her up, like the Irish Oaks and Pretty Polly.

Anyway, as I said I think she's almost nailed on to get the 12f, it's just I'm doubtful that the Arc has been a long term plan unless they say otherwise. O'Brien possibly saying it after the filly wins the race won't count

Barnesy. You just pay entry and that gets you everywhere. Not the distinction with different bits like at Uk tracks. Never too busy and pretty easy to get about. You can just pay on the door. Best days flat racing of the year IMO, hope you enjoy it!