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got a sore throat
Kingman's planned outing in the Queen Elizabeth II Stakes at Ascot next month is in jeaopardy due to a throat infection. The John Gosden-trained miler has swept all before him since finishing second in the QIPCO 2000 Guineas, most recently winning the Prix Jacques le Marois at Deauville, his fourth Group One success of the season. However, speaking at Longchamp, Teddy Grimthorpe, racing manager to owner Khalid Abdullah, said: "Kingman has a throat infection, which was discovered on Saturday. I have spoken with Prince Khalid. "Obviously it is less than ideal for a preparation going into a big race, but it (QEII) is still a month away. "We would be hopeful of still getting him to the QEII, but it is far from certain. "You know when you have a sore throat, how long does it take to go? Sometimes it is quick, sometimes it's not. I cannot put a time on it. "We would want to be sure that the horse is 100 per cent fit before we do anything, and then we can make a decision on his immediate future and also on his whole future. "But at the moment, the main aim is the QEII. If he doesn't make that then we still have the option of the Breeders' Cup. "And again, that would not precipitate a decision on his future either." Bookmakers Sky Bet suspended their betting on the race, for which Kingman had been the hot favourite. "Until we get a clearer idea as to how much the horse's preparation has been affected, we can't do anything else," said spokesman Michael Shiners. |
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kingman retired .
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Somebody managed to hoover up a few pounds at 10.5.
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I am pig sick although I have had a nice few quid on another possible runner in the QE11 I would much rather he ran. Looks like an Autumn fest of hype to come.
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Brig, Kingman and Australia will not meet ever. My pants are safe again.
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Spot on Felt. I never allowed for the lack of courage in the Abdullah camp. Silly me. I can see the hype coming. I will have to suffer the Kingman hype but if Oz now runs in the QE11 and wins, although I will benefit financially, the torrent of hype will be intolerable.
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Gutted he's been retired. At least he raced abroad though, something Frankel never did.
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underated horse imo
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Nothing left for Kingman to prove so why blot he copybook is the thinking i guess, great shame for the day it's self , but may lure in Australia if the ground is reasonably firm , clash with Toronado would be interesting in those circumstances .
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Well I feel a good decision,it's been a fantastic year for the John Gosden camp,some signs that some may need a rest? they've been on the go since season start and in Kingmans case he achieved all that could be expected,no over hype,just the blip in the guineas,which does in a way expose the uk milers at that point,he improved for sure once they learned to hold him that bit longer,and I feel almost sure with those tactics
Australia would not have had the speed reaction needed,but it will be forever a talking point. Good bye Kingman have a happy retirement  |
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I don't think Kingman has nothing left to prove he has won 4 Group 1 races beating Shifting Power, Night of Thunder, Toronado and Anodin. In my opinion the QE11 was his defining moment. The race looked likely to be strongly supported and there was the distinct possibility Australia was going to be there. This is the only race JOB can do the weight in. I backed Australia accordingly but even if he wins all we will hear is who is the best horse. These points should be sorted out on the racecourse not in the press.
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The mile form not great brigust,Australia visually struggles for 3-4 strides to quicken up over further than the mile,Kingman did prove himself for his ability against those around,you could not be at all confident about any of our milers running winning that distance in America,
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Understandable for him to be put away for the season but a real shame he's been retired - a sense of potential unfulfilled - there is a good programme for older horses as milers. IMO not many milers in recent years could have lived with him. Australia still won't be running in the QEII.
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Just look at the Guineas ,Derby winners,paceless is the thought that passes through my mind about the guineas(full of stayers)
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I wonder if their recent experience with Tapestry might make Ballydoyle/Coolmore think twice about dropping Australia back to a mile? - though I accept in that case it may simply have been a matter of trying to back up too quickly after her Yorkshire Oaks exertions.
On the other hand, a run in the QEII may negate the perceived disadvantage of softer ground for Oz (if it is softer by the time Champions Day comes around) and allow him to use his stamina to good effect in the mile race. Re. Kingman, I understand and respect the decision but I'm not sure that it's been adequately explained as to why a throat infection 6 weeks before the race rules him out.Is it a case of the antibiotics not leaving his system in time? Or more likely they just don't want to bust a gut to run in a race where they don't see too much to gain in beating the same horse again for the most part? |
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same horses, not horse...
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What was the last Abdullah horse from Europe to run in America?
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Not that I think there is much chance of this happening but if Australia were to hand out a real beating to Toronado et al noone could seriously use this as a point to promote Kingman.
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Horses who can switch up and down to/from 12f and 8f and whin Group 1 races are virtually unheard of in flat racing. Australia is no Brigadier Gerard.
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midday off the top of my head and sure theres more
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cheers alleged ,mind blank here,not sure Abdullah likes to go,Frankel?
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Teddy Grimthorpe must be under instructions not to take any chances. Hence we have Frankel retiring with his career partially unfulfilled (I know some would disagree about that) and now Kingman. The press hype these horses up so much the connections fear they have too much to lose by running any kind of risk.
I think I am on pretty solid ground by saying the Coolmore hype is sometimes intolerable but if Australia does win the QE11 then there will be a direct competition to the Banstead Manor Stud horses. And I suggest Coolmore will feel they hold the aces. Race the horses against each other ffs. If you owned Australia would you run in what looks a weak QE11 or what looks like being a pretty strong Champion Stakes? Plus they have ROTW in the Champion Stakes. Midday won over a mile as a 2 year old. Never stepped back to a mile afterwards. |
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I would agree with the this point on frankel,and it was a sad loss too racing fans worldwide that frankel never made the trip,again a case of money and reputation being the most important thing for the racing manager.
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Coolmore did try it with Cape Blanco who won the Irish Derby they ran him in the Queen Anne Stakes but he was beaten miles. Not sure that was Jamie Spencer's finest hour that day mind.
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sea moon another mj
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Australia got nothing to prove in the UK ,everything to prove abroad,and think he is capable to do himself jusice in America at 10f Plus,but i have a nasty feeling we may have seen the last of him already.
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cheers alleged
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Again Sea Moon won over a mile as a 2 year old. When dropped back to a mile afterwards he finished 12th of 14 and 8th of 8. Horses who win over a mile as a 2 year old aren't necessarily milers. If you know what I mean?
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The point All is stepping back to a mile after winning at 12 furlongs. Can Oz do it? Coolmore have been ramping the idea for months.
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Brig I think they are talking about Juddmonte horses who have run in the Breeders Cup. I think the experience with Dancing Brave put them off sending their very best.
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What was the last Abdullah horse from Europe to run in America?
just responding to this post brig  my old fav twice over is another |
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Tight tracks, change of climate, running against doped horses, the travelling involved - everything favours the home team.
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Horses who win over a mile as a 2 year old aren't necessarily milers. If you know what I mean?
frankel |
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Again Sea Moon won over a mile as a 2 year old. When dropped back to a mile afterwards he finished 12th of 14 and 8th of 8.
he never ran again over a mile brig  |
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That's true All but when as a 3 year old they stepped Twice Over up in trip he was dropped back 4 times and was beaten every time. I think Henry/Teddy was particularly cowardly about Twice Over. They ran him 26 times over 10 furlongs and never once over 12f. He won over 10f as a 2 year old ffs. I know winning is the aim but I think he was the perfect candidate for 12 furlongs. They ran him on the AW at Meydan and in the Breeders Cup while I thought the Breeders Cup turf would be a good race for him. Frankel never stepped back in trip after his 2 year old days did he?
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He, Sea Moon, did in Australia All. Flemington Group 1 12th of 14 and Flemington Group 2 8th of 8.
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sorry brig but he stepped back in trip and won the craven
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He, Sea Moon, did in Australia All. Flemington Group 1 12th of 14 and Flemington Group 2 8th of 8.
sorry you are indeed correct   |
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they travelled Workforce over there but pulled him out of the race a day before due to firm ground.
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