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Dundonnell raced in a 2yo race too. He does send them over if suitable.
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He, Sea Moon, did in Australia All. Flemington Group 1 12th of 14 and Flemington Group 2 8th of 8.
crazy aussies running a horse with stamina stamped all over the pedigree over a mile  |
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Aren't we trying to find a Gr1 12f winner who dropped back to win a Gr1 mile race? Just out of interest before Oz does it.
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It was tried with Helissio think he finished second in the Moulin.
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Falbrav
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Two really good horses there. Well done F. My hopes are rising.
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Not convinced the Australia camp would want to take on an held up Charm Spirit,too risky the chance of defeat?
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Starcraft
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Worst case scenario is if one or two more horses go by the wayside and Aus has nothing but Group 3 horses to beat. I hope sincerely hope there is one top class miler in the race to make it a proper challenge.
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Would hope the same, sint, but the better Gp1 milers don't look to be in the best form going into the race. I'd still be surprised if Coolmore choose the QE2 option in spite of it looking a much easier opportunity than the Champion Stakes. Swerving the race while Kingman was around but then suddenly switching now he's an absentee would be fooling nobody.
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In their, Coolmore, defence they said some time ago they would like to take Kingman on again over a mile so although his absence may sway them it has been mooted before.
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Just playing around with some official ratings and I did notice that officially Australia only improved 10 lb since his first start this year,the major expected improvement from 2-3 never really happened? The Grey Gatsby improved 16 lb from first start this year,reflected in his form,Australia still got plenty to prove,and not just at the mile.
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I think it would be almost suicide to risk Australia at the mile, he is bred to stay ,that is what he gives the impression he is(Derby wins),and he idols in-front.
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Bring on the NH horses, i am finding the whole flat classic brigade ducking and diving tedious. Bunch of price of sperm protecting bores.
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^^brilliantly accurate. So frustrating.
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I think the only way Coolmore could switch to the QE2 without looking like they've crapped out of the tougher option would be if it came up soft at Ascot. They could say the soft ground would place too much emphasis on stamina, Australia's all speed, blah, blah, plus the round course is usually softer than the straight.
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less than £400 has been matched on Aus for the QEII and I suspect most of that was the sheep jumping in after the Kingman news.
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Well I put my bets on the 22nd Aug, 24th Aug and 6th Sept. Thank you.
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Have you backed Australia in the Champion Stakes as well Brig?
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He's backed in the QE II , Arc, and Champion? Mental approach! |
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Hi Felt. No not a penny. Oz has really screwed me up this year. I hope I don't end up out of pocket. Lasy year I backed Australia to win the 2000 Gns, Derby and Arc. When he lost in the 2000 Gns I backed him continually for the Derby. Then I had this idea that as he was getting shorter for the Derby I would back him for the Arc thinking if he won the Derby I could lay off if necessary. He won the Derby putting me in front. I should have laid off then but I didn't. When AOB started making noises about dropping back in trip in was too late. I backed him for the Juddmonte and had just a small bet for the Irish Champion the price was too short and anyway before the Irish race I backed him for the QE11. I did think about laying Kingman instead but the profit/ridk margin was much better backing Australia. Me bet on him in the Arc looks lost so I have tried to cover it by backing alternatives as I have listed on the Arc thread.
It is as simple as that.  |
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Sorry about the errors I'm using this damned ipad. The letters are so small.
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It was easier back in the days Brig, 2000G, Derby, Eclipse/King George, Arc. There was a start and a finish to the top middle distance horses of that year.
A Derby winner not going for the Arc?? |
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Oz could well miss out the lot over here if the ground turns soft (which is likely).
Could turn up at the B Cup in the turf  more likely to get fast ground. |
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Shame that the best miler is off to stud (Kingman)
 Was looking forward to seeing him sign off in style (QEII) |
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I'm gutted as I have an Ascot premier stand ticket and flights booked specifically to watch Kingman and Australia win the QEII and champion respectively
I'm still going and will have to rely on the latter winning the champion as I for one will be very surprised if he goes for the mile and he wouldn't be a good thing if he did. He certainly wouldn't have raced against Kingman in the race, irrespective of the A O'Brien blarney |
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Hi Andrew. Pretty sad news there will be no Kingman/Oz clash but I never really expected it, I just hoped. I do think there may a be chance he goes QE11 because with soft ground a possibility the straight course, with it's better drainage will not be as soft as the round course. I'm back in France mid to end of October for a stint so maybe I won't be missing much. I had intended to go to the Breeders Cup but work has gotten in the way. Not sure I will be missing much but who knows?
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ah .. Brigust .. didn't u tell me that you doubted Aus over 1m ;) .. and I thought u were being serious :O
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I don't remember doubting Australia over a mile. I backed him for the 2000 Gns and the QE11. I just think his best form is over 12 furlongs and, providing the ground was OK, he should be running in the Arc. AOB has confounded more than once I can tell you.
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I think he will get his ground in the arc brig.
I do not know the watering policy at longchamp, im sure someone will enlighten us? |
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I think he will get his ground in the arc brig.
I do not know the watering policy at longchamp, im sure someone will enlighten us? |
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ay??? soz about the double post...
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Wouldn't it be great if they grew some balls and ran him?
In the RP today Pietro Innocenzi wrote 'They should but they won't. I would have my biggest bet of the season if Ballydoyle took the bold and daring decision to run Australia in the Arc rather than the wet lettuce option of sending him to Ascot.' Absolutely spot on. |
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and ofc it would be immensely exciting to see Australia run in the Arc, on good ground, which admittedly it looks like it will be .. but let's not get ahead just yet ...
who wouldn't want to see Australia vs Toronado and NoT etc... over 1m at Ascot ?? Though Michael Tabor did seem to laugh off the idea of going back to 1m, so, o.k. he races TGG and maybe ET .. and Free Eagle runs in the Arc .. |
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Aidan O'Brien did say "there's the 1m2 and the 1m race, the lads will obviously decide" .. it's quite obvious the Champ Stakes is his preference .. and w Ryan Moore likely on board .. Presumably Kingsbarns will go for the QE2, after all he was 3rd last year.
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and if they leave it to Ascot and the ground is gone, he never runs again .. they've also said he has nothing left to prove .. excellent 3rd in the 2000, Dual Derby, International .. and with his breeding and action, could be unreal as a sire which is obv all they care about.
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Do you really think Australia is all speed ffs? I've yet to see it. That's just hype in my opinion.
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Be interesting to see how Outstrip runs today. I think the 8s looks a fair price for a horse stepping back in Grade having ran only in Gr1's in his last 5 races after beating The Grey Gatsby easily. I would have thought he would have the beating of Wanabee Yours and Hors Dr Combat. I don't mind having a nice bet on horses like this at this price because there is always a lay off in running chance or the clear possibility of recompense. The Hughes horse looks fairly sound as well but Penglai Pavilion could be the fly in the ointment at 12s on here at present. Could be a nice day, or not.
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