Truly run was probably the wrong description HC, you are right. I mean it left more questions than answers. After all they did seem to go a generous pace. Time may show the form is correct but I somehow doubt it.

If we're talking pace then surely Buick went for home too soon(probably a hangover from the year before) on the Fugue in last year BCT letting Magician cut her down close home, anyway id say that the filly was better at 10f.
Going against the Gosden ones mainly from inexperience, their price and the fact that as yet, their form doesnt really stack up at this level.

Telescope could blow me out, but still, i dont know how good the Hardwicke form is, i certainly dont think that Hillstar has progressed as a 4yo in the style that they woudl have hoped for.

Hence me going for the f/cs in the hope that if im really right, then its going to pay well

HC by truly run I didn't mean the pace they went. I think a lot of the jockeys misjudged the front three and spent too much time guessing what the others were going to do while the front three got on with it. We will have to wait and see how the form stacks up in the future.

yes, GF, Good in places which is what Stickels is looking to maintain - just seen a quote from him saying that it's quite possible he'll water after racing on Fri - I suppose they're mindful of the accident with Rewilding (was that really three years ago?) but I don't see how it won't be on the fast time given the weather and the race off time.

Would love to know the rationale for Eagle Top not wanting it too fast other than that his dam's other notable progeny was The Lark who only raced once on ground which did n't have soft in the description and his sire is Pivotal.The damsire stats suggests the faster the better and the Pivotal offspring have a respectable enough record on quick ground.

I heard one trainer say the other week that he needed to run his horse because they needed to find out whether he went on the ground or not - can't remember who it was but I thought that was an enlightened attitude.

not sure Ascot ground  had anything  to do with Rewildings death ,although Ektihaam slip was ground related .

“I’ll be at Ascot tomorrow [Friday] and walk the track. Then we will be making our decision. He’s a very nice horse, but I didn’t really want to run him twice on too fast a ground.

“He did it well at Royal Ascot, but he’s bred more for good, good to soft ground.”

Definitely intended to put pressure on the clerk, imo.

High temperature apparently. Never mind. That's life. At least his intentions were there.

yeah no flintshire which is a real shame , could be down to 7 runners if eagle top is pulled out aswell, they said they wanted rain

I think Eagle Top will run as well but my predictions in this race have been woeful. The worst of it is we still don't know anything about Ruler of the World. I had hoped, with conditions in his favour, Flintshire would shed some light on that particular area.
Trying to understand JG is difficult. Did he persuade Lady Bamford to run Eagle Top BEFORE Taghrooda was a definite runner in this race  expecting her to run in Ireland, and then had to go with it? Does Buick choosing Eagle Top suggest he is better than Romsdal, does it? And on form Eagle Top beat Adelaide 3+ lengths. Adelaide beat Mekong River 3 lengths, Parish Hall was beaten by Mekong River half a length and The Fugue beat Parish Hall 11 lengths. That puts The Fugue 5 lengths in front of Eagle Top. That puts Magician about the same in front of Eagle Top. So I may well have a few quid on him tomorrow even though I suspect his ability to get the trip. I can't back the favourite or the filly. Looks very likely I'm off to Ascot tomorrow so will have to try to get there early and walk the course.

Eagle Top will run, surely. The prize money goes down to 6th place and there is a pacemaker so he only has to beat one horse to get some of his money back. JG is also waiting on Kingman's entry at Goodwood so that will affect AP there betting as well. I didn't think he would run at Goodwood and I cannot see the opposition being a problem but there you go. I did notice Outstrip was 30 - 40 on here for that particular event so I threw a pony at it. Watch the weather change now.

I'm sure if it wasn't for paying the £75k supplementary fee Gosden would pull Eagle Top out. Maybe Sheik Hamdan can refund Lady Bamford - it's pocket money to him.

I'm just surprised JG didn't consider her for this in the first place. Even a few on here suggested it I think. Why would he do that? Really speaking he should be persuading Hamdan to run not the other way around. Can't seem to get a handle on it. He either prefers the owner to decide or he didn't think she was good enough. Then you have Buick choosing ET over Romsdal who wasn't that far behind Australia in the Derby. Mind you Buick never chose him there either. There is a lot revolving around JG in this race.

Brigust - Commiserations re Flintshire.  Been there, done it.

Re JG and Hamdan.  As I have said many times on here, never underestimate just how hand-on the Sheikh is, and always has been.   Re Taghrooda, I am pretty certain that JG was expecting the usual Gp1 3yo filly career for her, with a bigger four year old career in mind, but the decision to send her to the paddocks at the end of this season scuppered that idea.  I did ask when that retirement decision was made but no one seems too sure, We know who made it of course

Thanks B. One thing I have noticed when I saw Flintshire was not running at about 10 o'clock this morning I went onto the race on here and checked the reduction factor should he not run. His price as 12 and Bf had the reduction factor at 4% yet now he is withdrawn they have the reduction factor as 6.9%. How can that be anything other than a screwing?

I hope so figgis, just not had a lot of luck with my antepost punting recently

Having watched the Hardwicke Stakes a few times does anyone else think Telescope may be flattered by this win? If you stop the race 2f out Hillstar was all of 6 lengths behind him having been sat out of contention then meeting trouble and he only put another length on him. Where would Hillstar have finished had they been level at the 2f mark? Is that good enough?

Maybe so, also there's the point that Hillstar might have not progressed as well as a 4yo might do from the stable..that leaves the form beating 110 animals 7l

You may be right Sin but when you compare his win with Harbingers everything was close 2f out with Harbinger and he ran away from them unlike Telescope where Hillstar was 6 lengths behind and he beat him 7 lengths. So he only ran a length away from Hillstar. I know he had to get 6 lengths in front of Hillstar but some of that ground was forfeited throughout the race by Hillstar's position and some by him being impeded. It isn't exactly the same as running away from the opposition.

Sin I said 'You may be right'. I can accept that but with the best will in the world your opinion isn't cast in stone. You are entitled to your opinion just as I am this is a thread about the King George after all. No wonder you can count the number of posters on the fingers of one hand. Nothing I said was my opinion it was just a set of circumstances. Harbinger was just about level with the other protagonists 2f out in his King George win and ran away from them and Telescope was about 6 lengths clear of Hillstar in his Hardwicke win which he increased to 7 lengths.

This rain is against Flintshire.