In the last 25 runnings only Nashwan, Generous, Lamntarra and Galileo have followed up from Epsom. Many more have failed.
They do receive a large weight advantage but it still needs a high class horse to prevail against top class older horses.
As of yet Taghrooda has not proved she is a high class filly winning a slowly run Oaks against an average bunch.  She may prove good enough but her price is ridiculous. Should 4 or 5/1 IMO.
Because of this it has turns into a betting race where before I would have been happy to just watch.

Angus Gold, racing manager to Maktoum, just now on ATR '' John Gosden particularly felt if she is too be retired at the end of the season then we may as well have a go at a big one''

IMO they always wanted to run her in this race. Anyway, decision made now.

brandyontherocks
In the last 25 runnings only Nashwan, Generous, Lamntarra and Galileo have followed up from Epsom. Many more have failed.
They do receive a large weight advantage but it still needs a high class horse to prevail against top class older horses. 

Agreed, although I do think the weight advantage is a considerable one for a good Derby winner, most of the failures like Oath and Shaamit were only moderate Derby winners, Workforce just didn't run his race. I reckon Australia would've had a very good chance but they've decided not to run. As for the fillies, my findings are that the 3lb sex allowance usually isn't enough to bridge the gap between what I'd consider a good Derby winner and a good Oaks winner, I'd say the difference is usually double that. In my view, Taghrooda still has something to prove to be considered a good Oaks winner and even if she is I think it's going to be difficult. The last good Oaks winner I can remember contesting this race was Oh So Sharp back in '85. She was narrowly defeated by the 3yo Petoski, a horse who I would rate a bit below the better Derby winners. She did finish ahead of Rainbow Quest, who, for me, despite winning a Coronation Cup and an Arc in the stewards room wasn't up with the very best 4yos.

Of course this is a different year but past results can provide relevant questions for this year's race. Is Taghrooda a good Oaks winner? I don't know but at current odds I wouldn't even consider paying to find. Is there a top class 3yo colt in the field? No. Is there one capable of running to a Petoski level? Possibly Eagle Top if he runs but I'd still say probably not. Are there any older horses in the field capable of running to a typical winning level for the race? I'd say yes.

Eagle Top supplemented. Coral the first ones too duck after swagging about with the 12/1.

Quite a few of us backed Petoski when he won. Apparently he had worked brilliantly just beforehand and I know his work rider won a lot. However I don't think it was a great race in depth if I remember and a combination of Cauthen going too soon and Willie coming wide and late on firm ground were mitigating factors. I know Steve thinks he would win if they ran the race again.

Interesting that Gosden has left in Derby 3rd Romsdal. He was due to run in the Bahrain Trophy but maybe he has decided to use this race as a prep for the St.Leger instead, or perhaps he just wants to scoop as much of the prize money as possible.

I'm leaning towards Flintshire. Obviously he is ground dependent but I have a feeling he was always going to come here for the trip, the pace and the ground. Three things he is guaranteed to get in France. He will probably not be declared now. That is always the problem when trying to read a trainers intentions.
If he is declared his chance is obvious. He hasn't had the fast ground he needs as yet or a race at a fast pace. When he ran at Epsom he wasn't fit according to his trainer so I wondered why they ran him. Perhaps it was to get him used to travelling over with this race ultimately in mind. They ran him last time on unsuitable ground because they wanted to get another run into him. That points to this race imo. He definitely needs 12f and was favourite for the Arc for a good part of last year. I can't imagine many horses in this race could have done that. I had him down as being about the same horse as Ruler of the World who I originally fancied for this so the form links tie in quite well. It's not obvious how good the 3 year olds are or Telescope but Flintshire has already won a Group 1 easily and did run in the Arc so his qualities are obviously pretty strong.

Eagle Top for me. Can't understand the price after connections shelled-out £75K - would JG have sponsored that decision if he though the filly was a good thing?

Buick made a big thing about how easily/quickly he picked them up at RA. What really impressed me was having picked them up, Buick took a pull and then he quickened again - not many horses do that at that level.

3pts Eagle Top @ 8/1

Don't buy the Public statement on Taghrooda by Angus Gold , not saying it is lies , just don't buy it ,  will probably now back telescope with a saver on Eagle Top , Taghrooda is way too short imo .

ok, just read this in RP  so fair enough.

JOHN GOSDEN said on Monday it was "very good news" for the King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes that a trio of three-year-olds are in the mix for Saturday's £1 million Ascot showpiece - and as the trainer of all three of them he is particularly relishing the clash of generations.

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His Oaks winner Taghrooda was installed 2-1 joint-favourite with long-time market leader Telescope by Ladbrokes in their first show on the contest, for which Gosden supplemented King Edward VII Stakes winner Eagle Top at a cost to owner/breeder Lady Bamford of £75,000.
Gosden and Taghrooda's owner Hamdan Al Maktoum sidestepped last Saturday's Irish Oaks to wait for Ascot, and Gosden's stable also has Derby third Romsdal in the reckoning.

"We had been talking about the possibility of Eagle Top being supplemented since the King Edward VII and Taghrooda is a very exciting filly in her own right," Gosden said.

"Taghrooda running complicated matters from the point of view of persuading Lady Bamford to supplement but, goodness, it's exciting to have some classy three-year-olds in the race. It's very good news for the race, and Taghrooda gives it great depth.

"The allowances she receives for age and sex are a factor, although a three-year-old filly hasn't been successful since the 1970s. But Taghrooda is a high-class filly and it's great sportsmanship on her owner Sheikh Hamdan's part to run her in the race. As she retires at the end of the year, it will be the only chance she gets."

The allowance Gosden refers to - Taghrooda will receive 15lb from the older runners and 3lb from her stablemates - has been key to Ladbrokes' pricing of the race, but not the only factor.

Their spokesman David Williams explained: "We think that with the weight she gets and the fact connections were so keen to go here rather than to the Curragh for the Irish Oaks she could be the real deal.

"She looked superb at Epsom and we like her a great deal, whereas while Telescope was impressive at Royal Ascot, he's by no means bombproof and Sir Michael Stoute is still talking in terms of him being a work in progress."

Think you are massively overstating the case for Flintshire, Brig. He was beaten by CDA, a horse you generally put down, when he had his favoured fast ground. It is also worth pointing out Andre Fabre has won the Coronation Cup 6 times so whilst he is entitled to improve for the run, the trainers history in the race and the fact they travelled him over suggest he would have been fit enough. He just does not look good enough on any form.

If you believe that piece of analysis then I fear for your wallet! Good luck with the bet!

Fabre confirmed in the RP today.

What he said after the Coronation Cup. Teddy Grimthorpe, racing manager to Khalid Abdullah, owner of Flintshire, said: “He has run really well and we have to be very pleased with that.
“It's a very good start to the season and it's nice to get him back on track. He could be a Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud and King George type.”

I just question the 12f run by flintshire against CDA,CDA is a confirmed 10f specialist in my eyes,and flintshires run in the Arc not good enough.

No such range of distance options exists for Flintshire, a confirmed mile and a half performer who won last season's Juddmonte Grand Prix de Paris for Abdullah and trainer Andre Fabre.
The son of Dansili made a fine reappearance when chasing home Cirrus Des Aigles in the Investec Coronation Cup at the start of the month.
“There is a chance they could both run, we're looking at it for the moment,” said Grimthorpe. “If there was a great deal of rain then Flintshire might not run. If the going stays good then there is a chance they both might run because they both need to.”

I agree with almost everyone else MJ. She is unbeaten so could be anything. The race isn't top notch and she is getting the fillies allowance. However if she was that good would the run Mukhadram and would Gosden look at running three. They cannot all be champions. There was a time when they had to run because there were fewer opportunities but that doesn't apply today.

I remember Dahlia winning it in '73. She had just won the Irish Oaks by 3 lengths beating Mysterious who had won the Fred Darling, 1000 Gns (beating Jacinth) and the Oaks. The 3rd horse in the Irish Oaks had won the Pretty Polly and went on to win the Champion Stakes. Dahlia won by 6 lengths beating Rheingold who was unbeaten after winning the John Porter, Hardwicke, Ganay and Grand Prix de St Cloud (2nd time). Rheingold then won the Arc beating Allez France who had won the Vermielle, Diane and Poulains. Allez France won the Arc the following year. So fillies can do it. Dahlia won the KG the following year.

About the Coronation Cup he wasn't fit as confirmed in the paper before the face and in the Arc the ground was soft and they went no pace.

MJ in the Arc on ground against him Flintshire finished by Al Kazeem and Ruler of the World. AK had form with The Fugue and ROTW has form with CDA. If you look at form in another way CDA beat Nathaniel 2.5 lengths in the Champion Stakes. Nathaniel beat Brown Panther 4 lengths in the King George. Brown Panther beat Hillstar 2.25 lengths in the Ormonde. That puts Hillstar 9 lengths behind CDA. Hillstar was beaten 7 lengths by Telescope at Ascot. If Flintshire and CDA are the same horse that puts Flintshire 2 lengths in front of Telescope.

or to put it another way,3/8 ,and they have run it on soft ground,do they know what they have?

It's now an intriguing renewal but difficult to approach with any degree of confidence from a punting perspective.

Gosden's three 3yo have 10 runs between them - is Romsdal going to run? - if so,who rides?

Mukhadram is untested at the trip - even Flintshire and Telescope have only run 8 times each and how many of those runs have been under Saturday's likely conditions?

Started off the day thinking Trading Leather ew was the play but, as impressive as Novellist was last year, I can't help thinking this is likely to prove a much deeper renewal - look what Telescope did to last year's third at Royal Ascot.

My latest  thoughts are that Magician's win over The Fugue on fast ground in the Breeder's Cup turf looks a compelling piece of form ...and that there is a good deal of circumstantial evidence in favour of Eagle Top - Buick had already chosen him over Western Hymn when the latter was declared a non runner at Royal Ascot and that horse looked very impressive in France over the w/e.I'd usually be almost wary of a horse that created the sort of visual impression he did at Royal Ascot but Adelaide was only just beaten in a Grade 1 at Belmont subsequently in a race which would have come plenty quick enough after his Ascot exertions.

Gosden was n't born yesterday and he'll surely have some idea of the respective merits of ET and the filly - he's gone to the trouble of supplementing ET and yet he's available at nearly three times the price of Taghrooda.

So I've no idea really, would n't be surprised if any of the top seven in the market won but leaning towards Magician or Eagle Top at the prices and reserve the right to change my mind!

Concerning form lines for  Taghrooda, there does exist the Hartnel - Windshier connection at a lower level too Eagle top,and I much prefer the filly on that.

everywhere you look Gosden got a line(what a great year for him)