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King George IV & Queen Anne Stakes 26th July
King George IV & Queen Anne Stakes 26th July
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I suggest the Arab Spring money was because RM chose him. I wasn't here for Ascot so never saw his race live but after watching the Ascot race yesterday I looked up his form. He beat Salutation who had won a Kempton Handicap off 87 was put up 12lb for it and had been 2nd last in two of his last three runs. I think the Ryan Moore ride had a lot to do with his price.
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Yes Brig but be fair he was giving Salutation a stone and won very smoothly , however the disparity in prices between him and hillstar was plain wrong , knocking up handicaps is not the same as knocking up group races and the market forgot that .
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After race ... check form book ... oh yeah look he was a silly price. Great game this. No need for foresight.
btw, had the ground have been good to firm yesterday and there was no rain I think it's fair to say Hillstar would have won. Cavalryman is a stayer with plenty of form on Soft. |
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Whats Telescope beat? He's finished ahead of 2 horses that couldn't even win a group 2 against a horse who wants 6 furlongs further. I think there a better horses at a better price in the race. Magician has already proved himself to be a genuine group 1 horse and is a bigger price, I just don't get it. I'd imagine Telescope couldn't afford to give weight to Taghrooda who is certainly open to improvement, and he sure as hell couldn't afford to give Australia weight. But since Australia isn't going, you'd have to think Ballydoyle are confident with Magician, the race would be there for the taking if Australia ran IMO. Also it was interesting to hear Jim Bolger say Trading Leather wasn't fit in the Eclipse, I think he would beat Telescope & of course there is Eagle Top who I think has already beaten more than Telescope in his short career to date.
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Not after timing about the ground now? Mac one of the better H'cap wins I saw recently was Mount Athos beating High Jinx at York. High Jinx had just won a Newmarket handicap off 92 and MA failed to win more than a Gr3. I thought at the time that was blinding form but it never really materialised. I've been more cautious backing handicappers in Group races since then.
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Horses are not machines, they don't "run to form" (exactly anyways) with anything like the regularity that is often spoken of.
This is a fact, and I think whether he was viewed as a good bet or not yesterday it would be obvious to most that Arab Spring didn't run to his best. To hear some people talk about A beat C, who beat D but couldn't beat E, you'd think it was all a neatly fitting jigsaw puzzle where all racehorses' form can be represented by a horizontal line on a graph, it isn't, as I'm sure all experienced punters are aware. |
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There is of course the possibility that Arab Spring is over rated. When Mount Athos beat High Jinx the 2nd horse went straight into Gr2 and Gr1 level. Mount Athos took on Brown Panther and beat him pointless. Its not what I expect to see Salutation doing but it is still early days for Arab Spring. Clearly Stoute and RM hold him in high regard. Usually all the clues to the puzzle are there it's just arranging them in the correct order that can be difficult, challenging and very rewarding. Everyone may have different ways of doing a puzzle. Some do the outside first and work in and some may start on the main picture. There is no perfect way.
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Faarh was a similar profile,but rushed,Arab Spring had been on the go,wrong ground,and I think it needs a rest,and possibly a shorter trip.
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Arab Spring had been on the go
Agree, MJ, I'm sure there were a few people out there who were willing to oppose him for that very reason. One of the best handicap performances I've seen recently was Hoof It in the Stewards Cup, both on form at the weights and on the clock, he'd also run close to that previously. When he was finally stepped up to Group company at York he was knackered from his previous exertions, although he was still arguably unlucky in defeat next time at Haydock. When a very good sprinter like Lethal Force is beaten after a couple of fine efforts it's generally accepted that its form has taken a downturn, whereas when one disappoints when stepped up in class after being on the go it's always said that the step up in class was too much. |
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Good point well made.
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I think that Ryan Moore is a very good judge and rarely gets it wrong so there is every possibility the Ascot race and/or the ground took their toll. But there is also the possibility the step up in grade was too much because the form of his last win looked good but what did he beat? His next couple of runs will tell us more I'm sure.
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It is my belief that the jockeys riding these days are the worst bunch during
my lifetime of horse racing, DETTORI is a goner yet never seems to think a race through either before or during a race, he should have guessed that CAVALRYMAN would make most, so he should have kept tabs on him instead of idling at the back, he was still travelling at the same speed but further back than necessary, he has ridden CAVALRYMAN before. |
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Irish Oaks this weekend so will no for sure whether Taghrooda runs there or not.
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Small money matched on her on here for the King George.
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"She's very well and we plan to do a piece of work with her tomorrow and take it from there - everything has gone to plan so far," said Gosden. "She handled Epsom well but the Curragh is a very fair, galloping track and should hold no fears. I'm like the horses, I don't look at the odds but we're very pleased with her."
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If it comes up soft in Ire they would prob have a re-think imo.
Would love to see her have a crack at the KG on fast ground. |
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Speaking to Racing UK, Al Shaqab's racing advisor Harry Herbert said: "Ruler Of The World is in good form and it was very unlucky for Aidan and all of his team that he pulled muscles in his flank the day before the Coronation Cup.
"I saw his last piece of work, and he could not have been more impressive so we were all gutted that he couldn't run. "He will now be prepared for a late summer campaign on decent ground, with no immediate plan as to where he might reappear but the Juddmonte International and Irish Champion Stakes will certainly come into the reckoning. "He ran a blinder in last year's Qipco Champion Stakes so that must surely also come into calculations this year." |
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I know they have Magician but still wonder if they might let Leading Light take his chance.
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Thanks Sin. I was going to back him for the CC and had a few quid on for the KG because I thought, and still think, he could either of win them but I cannot see him winning the Juddmonte or Irish Champion if Australia runs. Perhaps there is more to that than meets the eye?
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don't expect Leading light to line-up for this & could not fancy him to win this race if he did. Magician looks their big hope.
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Leading Light was completely gassed after the Gold Cup. Horse could barely lift his head....
Epic effort from a horse that tries as hard as any I have seen. Deserves a big cuddle he does. Surely needs a good break and I'd guess he won't be seen until the Irish St Leger. Wouldn't shock if he was only very sparingly seen between now and next years Gold Cup. |
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taghrooda know foes for this instead of the irish oaks,
loads of money for her the irish oaks down the armitage |
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know goes*
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Market went haywire
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She Runs
 Hope the weather stays fair  |
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seems odd to say no to a penalty kick second classic
they must think tarfasha is a good thing, to be honest she looks it now |
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See, this is John Gosden at his finest. He knew all along Taghrooda was going for this.
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Great news - really adds some interest to the race.
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Sintonian - He is not too god-like to be TOLD what to do.
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I reckon he/they always planned this, Blackbarn, hence backing her a couple of weeks ago. She was an impressive Oaks winner on only her 3rd run and gets 15lb from the older horses. She'll be hard to beat.
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Someone all of a sudden wants £5k matched at 5.0 on here.
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I agree with the latter part of your post (She onwards...), BUT the decision was only made within the last couple of days. The key being the wellbeing of Tarfasha and the guarantee of decent ground. Tarfasha will handle anything but will be best on fast ground. Never underestimate how Hands-on Hamdan is
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Taghrooda is an intended runner now.
Misses the Irish Oaks. |
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Thanks Penzance. Has Mafeking been relieved yet
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Still disagree but there you go, it's all about opinions
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EAGLE TOP
Also trained like the Oaks winner by John Gosden, the lightly-raced colt was an impressive winner of the King Edward VII Stakes at the Royal meeting A return to Berkshire has been mooted but it will cost owner Lady Bamford £75,000 to put the three-year-old in the mid-summer highlight. The son of Pivotal also holds entries in the Neptune Investment Management Great Voltigeur Stakes and the Juddmonte International Stakes. Hugo Lascelles, Lady Bamford's racing manager, said: "No decision over whether he runs in the King George will be made until Monday morning." Will be very interesting if Gosden is happy to take on the Oaks winner with this colt. |
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Though if the markets are anything to go by, He wont be running!!!!
Driiiiifting |
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I remember Dahlia and Pawnese winning the KG in the 70's where they received a 16lb difference. More recently Time Charter and Danedream have won it. Be interesting how it works out. Certainly added a bit of spice to what was looking like an average renewal.
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There was no guarantee of decent ground when they announced the decision this morning Blackbarn
Paul Hensey @HenseyPaul 3m Following a warm sunny day @curraghrace the ground is now Good to Firm, Firm in places. Heavy rain (10mm+) forecast tonight. Though given how it has quickened up today, 10mm would probably leave the going as Good. |
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The overnight forecast for the course said there was only a chance of a shower or two and that the ground was (as it still is) Good to Firm. Tonight's heavy rain is newly forecast.
Whatever, I am telling you that the decision NOT to run Taghrooda and rely on Tarfasha was dependant on the latter's wellbeing and on the likely "decent ground" at the Curragh. You don't have to believe me, and clearly don't. |