The way I look at it is that it was Hamdan's idea to supplement Taghrooda. So put yourself in Lady Bamford's position having to fork out £75k to supplement Eagle Top. Wouldn't she say to Gosden "Do you think we can beat your filly?" If he said No, she would hardly throw away £75k. So I would imagine that he would have given her some confidence.

At the prices, Eagle Top must be better value of those two.

Magician is over 8/1 on here comparted to a best price 11/2 with the bookies (which is perhaps a touch worrying) but with the going likely to be blindingly fast he looks the best play for me. Reckon this has been the main aim for him all season and his previous 3 runs have been good stepping stones. Main concern is that Ascot might not be his track, bit like SNA.

The Oaks form was hardly enhanced in Ireland last weekend, and Eagle Top beat trees at Ascot so at the prices neither of the 3 year olds  appeal to me (I'm assuming Romsdal won't run). Telescope was impressive enough last time but his price is definitely influenced by the 'Harbinger factor'. Mukhadram will surely struggle to get home unless he gets a very easy lead (possible of course). Trading Leather and Flintshire are reasonable e/w pokes.

With Eagle Top now into the race it looks a cracker of a KG .
Hopefully they all line-up come Sat on g/fast ground.
Like the Filly myself & at 7s ante p she looked a bet for me, but she is way to short now & am sure she will be bigger come Sat morn than the around 9/4 she is now, would expect 3s the field come Sat.
Think Telescope is still the main danger atm.
Both want g/fast ground & are both still open to more improvement imo, esp the Filly, just like her sire (Sea The Stars) now their was some tool of a horse who just kept getting better with each run as a 3yo. Hope his little girl keeps doing the same (& she will need to, if going to win the Big 1 this Sat).
Very much looking forward to a CRACKER

Soumillon let cda finish the race at epsom without putting too much pressure on him. CDA trainer says cirrus would have won the coronation by 6-10 lengths if he wasn't feeling iffy during the latter stage of the race.

For the record Dahlia, among her 10 Group 1 wins, came back as a 4 year old to win the King George in 1974 beating the 3 year old Highclere who had won the 1000 Guineas, beating the Oaks winner Polygamy, and the Prix Diane.  Can you even imagine a horse doing that today even though they have significantly more Group 1 races throughout the world to run in?

You may be right Sin but after all Battle of Marengo was 5.5 lengths back in that race after just being beaten a length by Hillstar. So considering Flintshire won impressively certainly puts him in the frame with Telescope.

Graeme CDA's trainer said he was 100% fit and back to his best almost every time he has run and has been beaten 8 times in the last year so you can listen to her if you want. What I do know is that Fabre said it was Flintshire's first run since the Arc and he was only 80% fit and would need the race. Plus it was CDA's third race this season. I think the Eclipse form is a bit loopy.

Great news from a personal perspective regarding the supplement of Eagle Top. I've backed him for the Arc so I'm hoping for a big run here. I'm annoyed with myself as I think the Arc is the best betting race of the year but I never normally get involved this early. I was very taken with his RA win and got overly excited. The more I look at his win the more annoyed I get.

Any way less about me.

Figgis, I agree. The point I was trying to make is he 3yo allowance isn't enough to get me to back a horse in the George. A good Derby winner certainly has the edge. But you still need to be a very good, tough mature 3yo. Other 3yo like Alamshar and Nathaniel have prevailed too.
With the fillies though its very different. Yes they have had success in the Arc but hat is much later in the season. If Taghrooda does win here it won't be the biggest shock but I'm prepared to take her on at the prices as she has not proved she is special yet.

Telescope could be a class horse but is too short to find out.
Magician has grown on me but we know where we are with him. A mid to high 120's horse
Mukhadram is likeable and deserved a win latest, but we can pick more holes in that race than a fishermans net.

I'm going to take a chance on Flintshire at the prices if he is declared. I know he hasn't produced much as of yet but I can not have a man like Fabre entering him in top race after top race. He could of easily found a lesser race to win by now but he has faith in the animal to produce at the highest level.

Sorry for the long post but I'm on holiday. Just got to persuade the son to nip off the beach for 20 mins on Saturday to watch the big race.
Good Luck All

Add to that AF has always said he wants fast ground, a strong pace and 12f. I cannot think of another race he could have planned to aim him at to get that set of requirements met. Only the King George.

You are right about the rain G and if there is something special in there that could mean trouble but when I went through the race his case stood up better than most and, after all, he is reasonable price as well. We may both need a bit of luck but it does come around sometimes. Good luck.

Heisen. I don't think he should be 2/1. That price is a bit shabby, and he ought to be more than that on Saturday.  Anyway fellas, good luck.

Actually, he is 12/1 now. Maybe tipped up in the papers to force price in that much.

Trying to compare soft ground form with fast ground form is not sound, norm far from it imo. How far would Telescope beat Noble Mission on fast ground??
Your right about 1 thing brig, Flint wants fast ground to show his best & granted that on Sat he would have a sound ew chance in what is shaping up into a very hot race.
As for Q to answer, I suppose they ALL have that to do on Sat to some extent, that's have they got what it takes to win the KG.

then why are you, by your own admission, having a modest bet by your standards?

Not if you believe a horse that is priced in double figures has a chance to win that stands up as good as any of the others, Blackbarn.

9/4 Telescope with some firms now. I suspect he will be 5/2 on Saturday, 3/1 Taghrooda as some of the others shorten.

Sintonian - I happen to think the full pricing on the race is about right. I'd have Mukhadram a bit shorter and the filly a bit longer, but that's about it.

Re the stats, as you well know, 6 out of every four people don't understand them. Re Tag, the incidence of 3 year old fillies in the race is so small, that there is NO statistically valid sample to rely on. And actual performance, of that small sample, will have been coloured by those that would not/did not stay. Tag does not fall into that group.

Each to his own, mate!  Good luck

Agree Rease.....Both priced in already though.

At least Mukhadram has been given stall 1 to get a clear run/be prominent. That must help him in his first try at 12f.

1(9)     148-25     Flintshire 27        4     9-7     A Fabre        Maxime Guyon    
2(3)     9-6825     Leitir Mor 37 t    4     9-7     J S Bolger       Ronan Whelan    
3(4)     1-6122     Magician  38 t        4     9-7     A P O´Brien        Joseph O'Brien    
4(1)     15-241     Mukhadram  21        5     9-7     William Haggas        Dane O'Neill    
5(2)     21-221     Telescope 35        4     9-7     Sir Michael Stoute Ryan Moore    
6(6)     223-32     Trading Leather 21 4     9-7     J S Bolger       Kevin Manning    
7(8)     141     Eagle Top 36        3     8-9     John Gosden        William Buick    
8(5)     3123     Romsdal 49        3     8-9     John Gosden        Richard Hughes    
9(7)     1-11     Taghrooda 50        3     8-6     John Gosden        Paul Hanagan

They're on the hills site on my phone.

AT the Eclipse was a bit of a screw up where we learned almost nothing. What happens on Saturday will determine a lot of punters bets in the coming weeks and months, including mine. Had the Eclipse been truly run I guess we would know more about the 3 year olds and I hope after Saturday we know more. If you think for one second I have to make excuses about my bets you are misguided in the extreme.