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2000 GUINEAS (2015)
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I agree Territories looks short.But as there is probably not a lot between it and the Fav it follows that Gleneagles is also too short
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Agreed Phil, think their form is probably not that far apart. There is nothing that stands out to me this year and I think in the most part the O'Brien horses have been running below par so far this year so I'm not rushing out to back Gleneagles. Since April 15 the record of his horses in listed level or above is 4446367722 and before that JFK was well below par in the Ballysax. I suppose out of all his horses Ol Man River is the most appealing.
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O'l man river looked very smart to me as a 2yr old I just wish I knew he was going to run 12/1 massive
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Why would they not run him, Ground good,should go on any, any rain brings stamina into play?
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I would be the first too warn ,OMR gotta find about 6 lb to go close, but could!
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Frankie has chosen not to ride The Wow Signal preferring a horse that was beat over 3 lengths in a below par Craven.
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Prepare to be stunned Sacred Kingdom.
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With 28 still left in I would say the bookies will be offering 4 places on Saturday, 20 runners or so.
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Wow, laying off TWS now!
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Hanagan says Estidhkaar is “crying out for this extra furlong”
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Think that comment would apply to a lot of the runners tbh.
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Ah it was just my point to say that Estidhkaar will definitely stay a mile. A lot of people have said they're unsure.
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Ol Man River has the typical profile of a Guineas winner and it would'nt be the first time an AOB second string won
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I don't think you'll find many 2000 Guineas winners sired by middle-distance horses...
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Camelot
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Yeah the one example you'll find in the past 25 years or probably even longer, well done.
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Cheers
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Camelot, the only Montjeu to win a Group 1 over a mile as a three year old.
I don`t think Old Man River will run at Newmarket. Happy to be wrong. Ladbrokes have shortened him a point overnight so maybe he is coming to Newmarket. |
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there is very strong money on him on ere so u think he must b coming its alot to b guessing
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Was just checking some old ratings for the Guineas, remember Glory Awaits finishing second in the 2013 Guineas and improving some 19 lbs from 95 - 114, Dawn Approach had achieved much more at 2 than most in this years field, we really must be careful, non are out of this
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You quite often get big priced horses hit the frame in the Guineas. Dutch Connection still overpriced imo !
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Money on here would suggest that Ol'Man River is coming over for it, hope he does.
Camelot is the only 3yo to win the gns by the mid-dist sire Montjeu, so its not out of the Q that it can be done again, O M R dam won 2 gns. Plenty of 3yo with mid-dist breeding have won the 2000gns. |
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4th in the Guineas 1st in the Derby i hope
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At least 3rd on Sat for me
Then win at Epsom |
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Wouldn't get your hopes up, Camelot won the worst Guineas in at least 10 years and the ground was Soft which Monjeu's tend to love.
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OMR definitely runs. Betting has shown that in the past 5 days or so. He's currently getting hammered, just like everything else in the market has been hammered at some point.
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Some more opinion from Ben Fearnley(Timeform), Ben was quick last year too pick up on the promise of Estidhkaar last year, and he like all of us I imagine, struggling too make sense of the impossible.
https://www.timeform.com/racing/articles/2000-guineas-fabre-to-conquer-english-territories-once-again-2842015 |
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Much has been said about You'resothrilling the dam of Gleneagles, I disagree with most of it,It was not a bad effort being beat by Lush lashes a length and nk over the mile, and not a bad effort at all in the Qatar Petroleum Prix De L Opera(10f) beaten 6L ish, OK rated on the low side for those efforts and not a great year, but perhaps plenty for the Gleneagles fan club to get optimistic about.
My main objection too Gleneagles is price on offer, and fantastic record over 7f last year, I can't believe some 7f specialist did not turn up and beat him, unless he was that 7f specialist??, just opinion,and he could prove better over the mile, just not for me. |
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Taking 7/1 for Territories when his form isn't much better than some others at far bigger prices seems like poor advice to me.
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Hi figgis, I think those behind Gleneagles worth inspecting closer, were they outpaced by a specialist over the wrong trip last year? are they better this year?, are they fit?, it is a minefield.
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Hughes: Ivawood can turn tables on Estidhkaar
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/richard-hughes-hughes-ivawood-can-turn-tables-on-estidhkaar/1864981/#newsArchiveTabs=last7DaysNews Encouraging for me that Hughes still has belief in the horse, although I would've preferred to have heard him say Ivawood worked spectacularly than "blew the house down". Hopefully it is just a case of fitness rather than him becoming slow. |
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Gosh i find this hard to believe
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Does Hughes retire this year?
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I think Hughes needs some Ginkgo biloba after this decision.
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If the price movement continues as it has over the last two days Gleneagles will soon be value
Will Moore definitely ride it? Ol Man Rivers price fall might suggest that he will be on that |
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Also does Elm Park need rain to run?
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Lets just watch the Greenham again - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfPsZ5nf1v0
Yes Ivawood does look like he needs further, I will need prozac if he wins the Guineas. |
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MJ, so would you say he had any more chance of winning the Greenham at the 6f stage?
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A visual thing going on in my head, Estidhkaar set pace and possibly staying better than Ivawood, Like I've said earlier is Muhaarar the specialist 7f horse? been beat over 7f before,and this if I ignore my ratings, makes me believe the whole race a grade below say Gleneagles Group1 7f races and those that may have been outpaced in those.
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It is very well mixed up last years 2yrld form.
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