13     811    Anjaal93    2    9-1    Richard Hannon57    Paul Hanagan     107    98    119
24     412432    Cable Bay16      2    9-1    Charles Hills56    Jamie Spencer     108    110    120
31     221144    Friendship27 p      2    9-1    A P O´Brien75    Seamie Heffernan     —    99    114
46     121    Outstrip28      2    9-1    Charlie Appleby54    Mickael Barzalona     114    100    127
52     4213    Stormardal16    2    9-1    Ismail Mohammed83    Neil Callan     88    94    101
65     1131    War Command49      2    9-1    A P O´Brien75    Joseph O'Brien     —    113    130


Dear god wat a sh1t race!

yes indeed, poor fare and expect War Command to be odds on so not worth backing but the opposition is scant

Great White Eagle looks the one in the Middle Park,should get decent odds, very few in there you can consider genuine contenders

Middle Park

113     1611    Astaire49      2    9-0    Kevin Ryan39    Neil Callan     111    110    124
24     170147    Bahamian Heights22 b      2    9-0    Clive Brittain43    Silvestre De Sousa     96    104    111
31     210151    Brown Sugar35      2    9-0    Richard Hannon57    Pat Dobbs     111    106    122
49     11    Great White Eagle41      2    9-0    A P O´Brien75    Joseph O'Brien     —    112    121
57     173101    Green Door29 b      2    9-0    Olly Stevens57    Jim Crowley     109    115    122
612     11531    Hot Streak7      2    9-0    Kevin Ryan39    Jamie Spencer     112    117    126
710     345425    Jallota7      2    9-0    Mick Channon45    Martin Harley     108    110    125
811     129521    Justice Day10      2    9-0    David Elsworth75    William Buick     103    98    116
93     11816    Saayerr49      2    9-0    William Haggas36    Johnny Murtagh     108    112    122
105     115    Shamshon21      2    9-0    Richard Hannon57    Richard Hughes     —    92    119
112     7422    Speedfiend17    2    9-0    Noel Quinlan    Pat Cosgrave     84    83    93
126     531112    Sudirman27      2    9-0    David Wachman80    Wayne Lordan     —    118    128
138     325111    Supplicant21      2    9-0    Richard Fahey56    Ryan Moore     110    110    125

any prices for the Middle Park?

judorick
09 Oct 13 19:43

I ask because the Metcheck forecast is for about 8 mm of rain between now a Saturday evening which should not turn it soft, specially as there is strong wind also predicted

It's what the BBC News Channel weather forecast was predicting at 5.58pm on Wednesday.

Here's the latest for Newmarket which confirms it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2641616

As they say 'to be forewarned is to be forearmed'  - or something like that.

I never take the BBC weather forecasts

still about 8mm though

Figgis considering backing War Command ?     Didn't think I'd see those words this season!

A poor Dewhurst imo, only the top pair worthy of consideration. Looks like O'Brien going for repeat of Futurity tactics, Friendship to make pace and fair gallop, War Command to sweep by in the final furlong.

As earlier, if War Command made normal progress from Coventry, then should beat Outstrip comfortably, pair clear. 11/8 in a match is huge imo, should be 1/2 or 4/9.

If he doesn't win, then his Guineas hopes will be in tatters. Can't be too many beaten horses from the Dewhurst who have gone onto win following May? (I think most Guineas winners in fact won their last start at 2)

Go on Figgis, you know you want to pile in!

No he weren't.

Middle Park, Sudirman good thing.

nah, either AOB or Kevin Ryan will train the winner ^

flipping tight odds that

it's a perfect example of why I focus on the handicaps, you just get a much better shape and big prices in the market

5/4 with 3.65.

Will wait for day of race though.

do you not feel soft ground has been the key to supplicants improvement figgis?? and is important in regard his chance here

have to disagree think he is a better horse with cut...think that is the reason for his win in better grade last time...he may still of been immature at the time but i backed him at beverly and thought he hit the ground very hard and was a drifter on that day...the money only came for him at goodwood when the rain came... just an opinion but thought he was a play last time on the back of him improving for proper soft ground

i think he is a big price here myself but wouldn't play him unless the ground turned in his favour...his form is working out very well, i must say at his level... whether that will be good enough to mix it with grade 1 horses on better ground is another matter...because rufford certainly isn't that class and hot streak looks a 5 furlong horse at present whom won how he should of done last time against weak horses on his favoured ground

well for me it depends how high you rate the juveniles that surrounded him they are listed horses as there form indicates...i backed riverboat springs that day but he is a rat who blew the start and the others hoku a mud lark and the easterby just listed class...he beat them well so how do you rate it?? i rate it listed/group class...then like i say he backed up on his favoured ground in better grade

in regards the time there was a 3 year handicap run the same day in roughly the same time... the winner was rated 77

As Supplicant went on to win next time I'm inclined to believe I was right until proved otherwise.


yes you were right as was i... but that doesn't mean he will back up on a better surface against a better grade of horse...

don't get me wrong figgis he is an admirable 2 year old and if this was being run on soft ground that would be an entirely different argument as would be his favoured surface and thus give him edges against other 2 year olds who wouldn't be so keen

chances worth taking for me are when we are getting value and on favourable conditions...in this case we are getting value but not on favoured conditions... plus we don't know he is up to group 1 level on what he has achieved so far...

for me his form is a muchness of a muchness on a line through the likeable brown sugar...like a lot of the other 2 year olds this season who ran in the windsor castle as well although i did think it was a good renewal for the grade

Harry, we'll have to disagree regarding his ground requirements. Who are the better grade of horses in this race though? Sudirman is on his best form, but there has to be a bit of a doubt if he'll be at his best. Hot Streak won impressively but in my view he hasn't done any more than Supplicant so far even if he is as good over 6f. The time looked better than it really was for his last race, imo. Great White Eagle has potential but hasn't shown a great deal on the track so far. I'll probably be laying the fav but if I was looking for a value bet I can't really see further than Supplicant whatever the ground.

GWE's time was pretty ordinary in comparison with other races on the straight/dog leg track that day. It was the only race over 6f so it could be argued that the race should be treated differently than the 7f and 8f races, however, a look at those close behind doesn't really do much for the view that the time should be upgraded, imo.