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Prix Jacques Le Marois - Sunday.
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The Racing Post Ratings do agree with Brigust as they have Farhh's Lockinge the same as his International and his eclipse runs. I'm more with Figgis as I have him improving a couple of pounds in the lockinge.
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Brig, I think me and Stevie are coming from a totally different angle than you. You seem to be coming from some kind of John Randall historian type view. While I think historical ratings are important, me and Stevie are looking to be ahead of the game and the proof is in the predictive quality of the ratings.
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I cannot have that. JR wouldn't be happy either.
Being ahead of the game, as you say, is all very well providing you know what the true rating is. Working on a ficticious 'possible' rating that is unconfirmed is all very well for punting but reality is vital otherwise you are doing what everyone else does, speculate. Do you agree that Farhh deserves to be rate, at this moment in time, 5lbs in front of St Nicholas Abbey and the same as So You Think? |
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But all you're doing is trying to prove something in hindsight, which as it's ratings of horses we're talking about then it's always open to personal opinion so can never be "proved" to everybody's satisfaction. I still maintain that the only true reflection of how good a person, or company's ratings are is their predictive accuracy. If they don't do well in advance then sorry but I'm not going to have much respect for them used in hindsight. I had So You Think on 134 for the Eclipse, it was a quality performance.
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I don't know about deserved, I just rate them on what I think they achieved on the day. I have Farhh's Lockinge win 3lb above anything St Nic did.
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3lbs here too, Stevie. Great minds, or two mugs?
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well 1 day you can feel like a complete mug and the next day a genius.
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That makes SYT a pound ahead of Toronado. With Olympic Glory rated the same as Novelist.
And Stevie you rate Farhh's 4 length defeat of 111 rated dual handicap winner Sovereign Debt to be better by 3lbs than St Nicholas Abbey's 2.5 lengths beating of multiple Group 1 winner Gentildonna rated 122? Oh dear, oh dear. OK I'm hooked. Good fishing boys. |
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That makes SYT a pound ahead of Toronado. With Olympic Glory rated the same as Novelist Eh? Taking one person's ratings for one horse and comparing them with somebody else's rating of an entirely different horse is illogical. |
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Brig, do you think Very Nice Name is a better horse than Gentlildonna?
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More to the point do you think Sovereign Debt is better than Gentildonna?
Or maybe you think Gabrial is better than Gentildonna? Or maybe Sarkiyla is better than Gentildonna? Or maybe Reliable Man is better than Gentildonna? Or maybe DUAL HANDICAP winner Sovereign Debt is better than Dunaden? Or Midday? Or Sea Moon? You are having a laugh aren't you? The ratings I reproduced above are Timeform's alone. |
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Stevie Gerrard
well 1 day you can feel like a complete mug and the next day a genius. Very true  |
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Why should Sovereign Debt have to be better than Dunaden, Midday or Sea Moon for Farhh to be rated higher than St Nic?
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Anyway brigust I don't want to get into a long discussion about this, basically I just rate horses for my own betting purposes to gain an edge. Tbh I can't really see much to be gained from these discussions and I think it is a waste of our time. Have a good night brigust.
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You are right Stevie. G'night. Hope you have many more genius days.
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Goodnight all, ratings to be done
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That applies to you too Fig.
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