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By:
jamesp
When: 09 Aug 13 08:47
Aidan O'Brien is reportedly likely to be triple-handed in the Debutante Stakes on Sunday, with Perhaps, Minorette and Tapestry his intended runners.  Of the three, Tapestry is the only one that appeals as a potential Guineas filly.  Although her current odds of 14/1 are very unappealing, she falls firmly into the 'could be anything' category and I may back her for the Guineas if it's confirmed later this morning that Joseph O'Brien takes the ride, as she's sure to be a short price on Sunday.  Perhaps is probably more of a staying type and Minorette's debut form looks decidedly shaky.  None of the other entries makes much appeal.
By:
jamesp
When: 09 Aug 13 10:59
Just seven runners for the Debutante Stakes on Sunday: the three Ballydoyle fillies (awaiting confirmation of riding arrangements) plus Avenue Gabriel (already beaten by Perhaps), Chroussa (already beaten by Tapestry), Glassatura and Sacred Aspect.
By:
jamesp
When: 09 Aug 13 12:35
Joseph O'Brien rides Tapestry, Seamie Heffernan rides Perhaps, with Michael Hussey on board Minorette.  Aidan's recent runners in the Debutante Stakes include subsequent Group/Grade 1 winners Maybe (2011), Misty For Me (2010), Together (2010), Lillie Langtry (2009), Listen (2007), Tapestry's dam Rumplestiltskin (2005), Necklace (2003), Yesterday (2002) and Quarter Moon (2001).  All those fillies finished first or second in the Debutante apart from Together (finished third).  Tapestry, who looks to be the stable's 'first string', will be a short price to win on Sunday and the stats suggest that she will be hard to beat and that she will probably develop into a Group 1 class filly.  14/1 is a very skinny price for the Guineas but she could be a lot shorter after Sunday's race, so the percentage call is to back her now for the Guineas.  Hills have just cut her from 14/1 to 12/1.
By:
Try My Best
When: 09 Aug 13 14:25
Fully expect Tapestry to win in this company and cement her claims for the Guineas. I think she's very good.
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 10 Aug 13 15:37
That Ithimal was quite impressive james. must be big contender for guineas.
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 10 Aug 13 15:38
and that Goodwood maiden looks a good one now
By:
jamesp
When: 10 Aug 13 16:14
Ihtimal was quite impressive there in the Sweet Solera Stakes and I like her attitude, but my gut feeling is that she will be a 10f+ filly next year.  There's loads of stamina on the dam's side of her family and the further she went the better she looked.  She didn't have the speed to win over 6f earlier in the season, 7f is the bare minimum trip for her now and she will be much better over a mile and further.  I guess she'll be aimed at the Fillies' Mile, with a possible warm-up in the May Hill at Doncaster.  The form looks solid and the winning time was quite fast (compared with the fillies' maiden earlier on the card).  The placed fillies appeared to run to their previous best (rated 95 and 93 on Racing Post Ratings), so the winner can be rated about 103+.  Godolphin's last four winners of this race (Long Lashes, White Moonstone, Discourse, Certify) were all once-raced maiden winners beforehand and had the speed to win over 6f on debut.  Ihtimal was having her fourth start and doesn't look as good (or as fast) as Godolphin's previous winners.  She's 33/1 for the Guineas and I'd be in no rush to back her at this stage.

Power have priced up tomorrow's Debutante Stakes: 4/5 Tapestry, 5/1 Perhaps, 9/1 Avenue Gabriel, 10/1 bar.
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 10 Aug 13 16:25
Time not as good as it looked originally as the hcap went 0.8s quicker carrying 10lb more and even allowing for wfa won't get a great rating. But I liked the way she did it and will definitely improve for longer trip.
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 10 Aug 13 16:43
sectionals wise I made the last 3 furlongs 1 second quicker for Ihtimal at 34.1 than the Gabrials Lad hcap. The hcap being run pretty close to optimal on my figures. I'd be looking to upgrade Ithimal by a few pounds.
By:
bosra shame
When: 10 Aug 13 22:23
I wouldn't write Ihtimal off James. In addition to being beaten just over a length by Kiyoshiat Goodwood in May, form lines through Wedding Ring make her roughly two lengths inferior to the favourite, or about six pounds.
I take the point about the breeding but it looks like a straight mile will suit her and with 8/1 available about Kiyoshi and 33/1 Ihtimal at the moment, I know which is better value.
I admit, though, that Kiyoshi does have that potential flash of brilliance which the Godolphin filly doesn't have.
By:
jamesp
When: 11 Aug 13 09:05
I'm certainly not writing her off, bosra shame.  I'll take a close look at the May Hill entries and if she looks head and shoulders above the opposition there I may well have a saver on her for the Guineas (in anticipation of a good performance at Doncaster, which would make her a leading contender for the Fillies' Mile).  But she looks an out-and-out stayer to me and I doubt if she has the tactical speed to hold a position in the Guineas.  Mind you, I thought the same about Blue Bunting!!
By:
the bairn
When: 11 Aug 13 12:41
if Tapestry beats Perhaps today it must go close to favouritism, I'm still not convinced though, I can't understand why Perhaps is not in the betting, maybe the result today will prove why I am still a novice at ante-post betting. cheers.
By:
Try My Best
When: 11 Aug 13 12:46
Perhaps to set a nice strong gallop with Joey stalking from his mid draw , then whoosh I hope.
By:
sageform
When: 11 Aug 13 13:13
Looking much further ahead, did we see 2 Classic candidates in Night Song and Casual Smile at Newmarket yesterday? I know they were a bunch of newcomers but both have good pedigrees and overcame moderate starts to run away from the rest.
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 11 Aug 13 13:19
Yeah Casual Smile by Sea The Stars and out of Casual Look that does scream oaks on breeding. Look forward to seeing how she progresses next season.
By:
jamesp
When: 11 Aug 13 13:32
We saw a couple of nice prospects in the maiden yesterday, but the winning time was quite slow and with only 4 lengths covering the first six home I doubt if the form amounts to much.  Enthusiasm for the winner is tempered by the fact that John Gosden said afterwards that he'd be looking for a conditions race for her next.
By:
Try My Best
When: 11 Aug 13 15:20
Very nice performance and crying out for further
By:
jamesp
When: 11 Aug 13 15:24
Tapestry won very comfortably under hands and heels riding and is clearly a smart filly.  The placed fillies appeared to reproduce their previous Group 3 form (more or less to the pound), so the winner can be rated about 105+ (RPR).  She's clearly capable of a higher rating when stepped up to Group 1 company and is an exciting prospect.  The Moyglare Stud Stakes will be a crucial next test, as she is likely to face the current Guineas favourite Kiyoshi.
By:
jamesp
When: 11 Aug 13 16:15
I thought the post-race quote of 12/1 for the Guineas (with Power) was fair enough, so I've topped up at that price.  She's as short as 8/1 elsewhere.  Kiyoshi and Tapestry are the two stand-out fillies so far.  It's a shame they're likely to clash in the Moyglare, but that's the way it goes. 

Sandiva and Joyeuse, who filled the places behind Kiyoshi in the Albany, remain smart prospects and are my next best fancies for the Guineas, but War Command's disappointing performance in the Phoenix Stakes today is a timely reminder that Royal Ascot juvenile form does not always work out at other tracks.  Lucky Kristale, Ihtimal and J Wonder are three to keep a very close eye on.
By:
Try My Best
When: 11 Aug 13 16:23
I think the extra furlong will be right up her street and over a mile I feel we will see an even better filly. Travelled like a really good horse imo and can't wait for the clash if they go to the Moyglare.
By:
deepingfox
When: 11 Aug 13 22:50
Tapestry looks the 1000 Guineas filly for me, thus far, as I never trust impressive Royal Ascot form implicitly.  Cant knock Kiyoshi, but I much prefer Tapestry at this stage to keep on improving and producing as she steps up in grade, on her way to a Moyglare/Fillies Mile double.

Still rate Carla Bianca highly as a Maiden waiting to move into 100+ rating in group races, but can trust D Weld to rock up with a star filly at Newmarket, so prefer to have her as my Oaks filly for now.
By:
STELLAR MANIPULATOR
When: 11 Aug 13 23:32
Love the manner of Tapestry's two successes so far as she is still learning and obviously has serious raw potential .She carries no condition but I seem to recall her mother being the same - these horses from the Miesque family are never perfect physical specimens but they do have engines . She could definitely win the Moyglare but is there a guarantee she will train on given that her mother didnt ? The Moyglare is shaping up to be the juvenile fillies race of the season - Clive Britain sent Sayyadati many moons ago and seems keen to send Rizeena . Kiyoshi is earmarked also as is Carla Bianca who will represent the sponsor
By:
the bairn
When: 12 Aug 13 15:22
there are some serious contributors on this thread, always can't wait to pick up some little gems. as usual the guys were right about Perhaps and Tapestry, even telling us how the race would be run. cheers.
By:
jamesp
When: 13 Aug 13 16:38
There were 20 confirmed entries for this Saturday’s Gr.3 Prix du Calvados at this morning’s forfeit stage.  The race has been won by some smart fillies in recent years, notably the subsequent Group 1 and Grade 1 winners Six Perfections (2002), Confidential Lady (2005), Proviso (2007), Elusive Wave (2008) and Elusive Kate (2011).  British-trained raiders have fared well, winning 8 of the last 16 renewals.

Entries are headed by Sandiva (R Fahey), who needs no introduction to readers of this thread: her Albany Stakes form (where she was runner-up to current Guineas favourite Kiyoshi) and earlier Naas win (RPR 105) looks the strongest form on offer here; she should be suited by the step up to 7f.

Chriselliam (C Hills) is well regarded and has been working well in preparation for this; she won her maiden at Warwick in good style (showed a good turn of foot) and has the makings of a smart filly.

Feedyah (C Appleby) was slowly into stride and still green when 4th in the Star Stakes (Listed) at Sandown last time and can do better.

Hot Coffee (T Dascombe) deserves a step up into pattern company after trouncing the useful maiden Lady Lara by 4 lengths in a slowly run Haydock maiden on debut; her trainer’s two previous runners in the Calvados (Switcher in 2011 and Premier Steps last year) both finished placed and Hot Coffee looks a smarter prospect than either of those.

Lacarolina (J-C Rouget) has won her last three starts including the Prix Six Perfections (Listed) over C&D; she’s a smart and progressive filly (RPR 102) and has the best form of the French entries.

Straight Thinking (A Fabre) was strongly fancied when making a winning debut at Chantilly (comfortably on top at the finish, very slow winning time); she is clearly held in high regard and is bred to be quite smart (she’s a half-sister to Announce, winner of the Gr.1 Prix Jean Romanet over 10f).

Ice Love (T Castanheira) won the Prix de Lisieux (often a good pointer) over 6f at Deauville first time out and could be quite useful.

Richies Party Girl (W Ward) is an interesting entry: she made all to win easily at Belmont Park over 6f and there is simply no way of knowing how her form compares with the form of the European fillies.

Sandiva will need to win this if she is to remain a genuine contender for the Guineas, but she will need to be at the top of her game to beat some very promising and well regarded maiden winners.  Charlie Hills, trainer of Sandiva's Ascot conqueror Kiyoshi, seems quite bullish about the chances of his filly Chriselliam....
By:
jamesp
When: 14 Aug 13 11:24
Four fillies remain in the Gr.1 Prix Morny after this morning's forfeit stage: Rizeena (C Brittain), Vorda (P Sogorb), Lucky Kristale (G Margarson) and Omaticaya (M Illuminati).
As expected, Kiyoshi has been withdrawn, along with Miss France, Princess Bavaroise and So In Love.

13 fillies remain in the Gr.3 Prix du Calvados after the latest declaration stage, including all eight fillies mentioned in the previous post.
By:
jamesp
When: 15 Aug 13 12:52
The Prix Morny is shaping up into an intriguing contest, especially in view of the likely change in ground conditions (heavy rain is forecast for the weekend).  Lucky Kristale, as reported in the press, has been taken out and will now run in next week's Lowther Stakes at York.  Unbeaten filly Vorda, recently purchased by Sheikh Mohammed bin Khalifa Al Thani, has already beaten four of her ten possible rivals (in the Gr.2 Prix Robert Papin) and there is no particular reason to believe that any of them will be able to reverse the form.  Collateral form suggests that she should also have the beating of the Molecomb winner Brown Sugar, but soft ground might be a concern, as she has yet to race on ground softer than good.  The Norfolk Stakes winner No Nay Never has an obvious chance, but the Ascot form hasn't worked out too well and there must be a doubt about him reproducing that form if the ground turns soft, and collateral lines of form suggest that he has a bit to find with Vorda.  Rizeena has been pleasing Clive Brittain in the build-up to this contest and she can't be ruled out with any degree of confidence, but Vorda has a great chance of emulating her sire Orpen, who won this Group 1 contest in 1998.  Longer term, there must be a doubt about Vorda getting a mile, as she is quite speedily bred and shows plenty of pace in her races, but Sunday's race will give us another chance to assess her prospects.

The Prix du Calvados on Saturday may prove a more significant pointer for the Guineas.  I'll be looking for a confidence-boosting win for Sandiva, but she is tackling four unbeaten fillies plus the useful Lacarolina and the well regarded Chriselliam among her 11 rivals, so it looks a competitive heat.
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 15 Aug 13 14:55
There's a John oxx trained Sea The Stars filly called My Titania  at Leopardstown today who is running in the Sea The Stars colours of Chistopher Tui. Her half sister Aneedah did win a mile race as a 2yo before mainly running over sprint trips as a 3yo.
By:
jamesp
When: 17 Aug 13 14:00
That was an impressive performance by Sandiva in the Gr.3 Prix du Calvados at Deauville.  She was drawn wide and had no cover for much of the race but came through with a smart turn of foot over a furlong out before staying on strongly to win comfortably by a couple of lengths from the Fabre filly, the pair finishing miles clear of the remainder.  Richard Fahey's filly looked a little uneasy on the firm ground at Ascot and seemed to appreciate the bit of ease in the ground today.  Make no mistake, the first two home are both smart fillies and capable of making a mark at Group 2 and Group 1 level.  The Fabre filly Straight Thinking was having just her second start and is definitely one to follow.  Surprisingly, some bookmakers left Sandiva's odds for the Guineas unchanged, so I have topped up at 16/1.  She looks sure to stay a mile and is a progressive filly.
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 17 Aug 13 14:20
Good stuff james. I missed the race so very good to read your summary. Would you say at this stage it's shaping up to be an above average guineas?
By:
jamesp
When: 17 Aug 13 14:37
Far too early to tell what kind of Guineas it's going to be, but I'm happy with my position on the race at the moment (Kiyoshi, Tapestry and Sandiva are the stand-out fillies at present).

Sandiva's winning time at Deauville was quite fast (1m 22.27s).  The only fillies to have clocked a faster time in this race in recent years were Proviso (2007) and Joanna (2009), and they both turned out to be smart fillies.  The official winning distances were 1½l and 4½l.
By:
jamesp
When: 17 Aug 13 14:38
The 'big three' bookmakers have all cut Sandiva from 16s to 12s for the Guineas.
By:
the bairn
When: 17 Aug 13 14:41
just topped up myself james, waited for your update, so far, I'm with you all the way. cheers.
By:
jamesp
When: 17 Aug 13 15:38
It sounds like Sandiva may be aimed at the Gr.1 Prix Marcel Boussac.  Richard Fahey: "She was beaten by a very good filly at Ascot but I just felt she was better today.  She probably proved it because Frankie said everything went wrong and she still won.  She was stuck on the outside without any cover but she's a filly with speed and a bit of class.  I'll have to speak to the boss - I know he'll be keen to run in the fillies' race on Arc day but, whether or not she gets a mile, we'll have to see."
By:
jamesp
When: 17 Aug 13 20:04
Top French filly Vorda is reportedly more than likely to run in the Gr.1 Cheveley Park Stakes if all goes according to plan in tomorrow's Prix Morny.  Power bet 7/4 Vorda, 9/4 No Nay Never, 5/1 (from 7/1) Rizeena, 12/1 bar.  The money for Rizeena is not surprising, as she has been working well in preparation for this race.  I'm not tempted to back either Vorda or Rizeena for the Guineas at this stage, as they are both speedy types and not sure to get a mile next year.  The original plan with Rizeena after the Queen Mary was to run in the Moyglare Stud Stakes over 7f, but the fact that she is being kept to 6f races is perhaps significant - I can't see her coping with the likes of Kiyoshi and Tapestry over 7f at the Curragh!
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 18 Aug 13 14:57
good runs by the fillies there james but they couldn't live with No Nay Never.
By:
bosra shame
When: 20 Aug 13 16:37
You would swear Rizeena was crying out for seven furlongs after doing all her best work at the finish.
By:
jamesp
When: 20 Aug 13 17:55
Well, Rizeena missed the kick and came from some way back, which probably made her finishing burst look a bit more impressive than it actually was, as she was staying on past weakening horses (Jallota, Muharaaj), but yes she looks like she will be well suited by a step up to 7f, which would put her in the reckoning for what could turn out to be the best juvenile fillies' race of the season (the Moyglare Stud Stakes).  Not sure about a mile for her though.

Power have priced up Thursday's Gr.2 Lowther Stakes at York: 11-4 Lucky Kristale, 3-1 J Wonder, 4-1 Queen Catrine, 9-2 Wind Fire, 9-1 Reroute, 12-1 Kaiulani, 25-1 Alutiq, Merletta, 33-1 Azagal.  I was expecting Lucky Kristale to be quite a warm order for this and reckon she's over-priced at 11-4.  She has already beaten Queen Catrine and comfortably holds Wind Fire on collateral form.  J Wonder is the 'dark horse' and there's no way of knowing just how good she might be, but no way should she be almost joint-favourite with Lucky Kristale.  Very tempted to back the favourite at those prices.
By:
jamesp
When: 21 Aug 13 09:09
Betvictor's Lowther prices: 11-4 (from 3s) J Wonder, 3-1 Lucky Kristale, 4-1 Wind Fire, 5-1 Queen Catrine, 9-1 Reroute, 12-1 bar.  At those prices I have to back Lucky Kristale.  She's a 6-4 shot in my book, 3-1 looks massive!
By:
Figgis
When: 22 Aug 13 11:38
I agree, james. Occasionally you look at a market and think wtf is going on here, this is one of those occasions. How is J Wonder favourite? She's looked ok on her last two runs but even allowing that she appeared to run within herself last time, that form was some way off what is usually required to win this race. I have her with 11lbs to find with Lucky Kristale on these terms. It's not impossible she could improve that much but the price is too short. Lucky Kristale has already shown enough to win the race, the 3lb penalty makes life harder but she's still the most likely winner. I have Wind Fire improving last time and only 1lb behind her on these terms, but that was a hard fought win only 6 days ago and the extra furlong is not guaranteed to suit as well. It's possible something else could make surprise improvement, after all Lucky Kristale's improvement came as a surprise to me last time, but at the prices LK has to be a bet.
By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 22 Aug 13 14:33
wd James and Fig
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