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By:
TEN2FOLLOWER
When: 22 Nov 11 16:29
Intersting chat about horses dodged and the list of selections has added to it.
Mine of note are:-

Sizing Europe
Oscar Whiskey
Kauto Star
By:
TEN2FOLLOWER
When: 22 Nov 11 16:30
And for anyone that didn't know, I'm the January 2004 £10k winner.  Laugh
By:
Hanbury
When: 22 Nov 11 19:40
Well Done Rem!

I had a feeling you were a 10 to follow expert!!

This is my 4th year in the competition. I managed to finish 9th two years ago, and had a runner in the national to win it! That was so exciting! So I'm hooked for life!

I really have a passion for the Cheltenham Festival. Its the best week of the year for me!! Been going for nearly 20 years now. So I think that really helps with this competition.

I noticed you had Michel Le Bon for the Hennessy. He is in some of mine too, just not with GE. He has a great chance. Dangerously well handicapped, its just lacking experience. He's with the right trainer, thats for sure!

Should be a great race on Saturday, cant wait!

I'm looking forward to the John Durken. I want to see Kauto Stone romp in. I think he could be the dark horse of the competition. Well I hope so!! Him and Joncol!
By:
Hanbury
When: 22 Nov 11 20:04
Well done to the 719 lines that chose to keep/include Kauto Star.

Its quite ironic, like most people this year I left him out.

Usually Kauto was our big Christmas cheer as the King George banker, now we wont really want to see him win for our competitions success.

I so want Kauto to win, I would forsake success in the competition this year just to see it!

We will all have mixed emotions me thinks!!
By:
Hanbury
When: 22 Nov 11 20:08
Well Done Ten2Follower. Its good to hear about your January win.

Which horses are you most relying on to do well for you? Which ones excite you the most?
By:
TEN2FOLLOWER
When: 25 Nov 11 20:13
Cheers Hanbury.

The ones that I've relied on that won't be in as many lists are Jessie's Dream, Universal Soldier and Tullamore Dew.

The popular ones that I've avoided are Sizing Europe, Master Minded and Cue Card.
By:
Hanbury
When: 26 Nov 11 00:42
The differentiators in my eyes!!
By:
Hanbury
When: 26 Nov 11 01:55
Nice choices,

I had Tullamore Dew, but not the others... so we are different!!

Where do Jessie and Universal run next?

I swerved Cue Card too!

Reduced my lines on Masterminded too!

Interesting you swerve sizing europe. I started the thread on 'Who will win the Queen Mother' .. My thoughts are down there!I reduced the percentage of lines that Sizing went in, he's in about 30% now. He'e getting older, bless him!.. One of my fav's though!

My chief differentiators are:

Kauto Stone -Top Class French Bred: Grade 1 engine:Won the same top French Grade 1 4yo old as Long Run. Interestingly he had an extremely light campaign last year. Which means he's now the same age as Long Run when he won the Gold Cup....well thats my thinking anyway! Still entered in King George, but doubt he runs in it. He will mop up the right handed track Grade 1/2 - might not act round cheltenham though. But Ryan Air his aim.

Great Endeavour - this horse could be the massive points scorer this year. - I have 3 great lines with him! Hoping he wins again on saturday! realistically only 3-5k of lines will be in play if that happens!

Joncol - He could be the top Irish horse, and re-gain the Irish hennessy! (Unless Kauto Stone beats him of course!!) matured and well again.

Giant Bolster - He could easily win the hennessy! My dark horse for the season. If he doesnt kill himself, he should go F1F1F1!! Maybe a bonus race, or at 66/1 at the Festival (Mildmay or William Hill)

Golden Silver -if the ground goes his way, he could go undefeated this year and win either the Queen Mother (soft) or Ryan Air (Good/sft) - He is my Irish Accumulator! He runs alot and Mullins places him well! Hoping for 50- 70+ points before Cheltenham

Michel Le Bon - Nicholls sees him as a much higher rated horse, and will win races. Hennessy/Racing post.

Sarando - Racing Post/hennessy

Tataniano - read my Queen Mother thread! He has great performances in him. He looked very commanding first time out. He just might have matured. Like Cheltenham ground.

Had Pandorama in, unfortunately! - Although I am in profit through him!! He was my Irish diferentiator horse 2 years ago that helped me finish 9th in the 10 2 Follow. Got injured that year too!!

Wymott - Very Well handicapped and one of my dark horses from last year!Get good chances in: the Hennessy, Racing Post Chase, take in the William Hill then Grand National! He has the right owner!

Thousand Stars - Aintree Hurdle last day of the season drama win potential!!
By:
TEN2FOLLOWER
When: 26 Nov 11 13:12
Hanbury.
Not sure where those 2 run next.
I had The Giant Bolster in loads of lists last year.
I can add Sizing Europe in later if I need to.  Maybe I wouldn't have missed him out so readily had it not been for the subs.
By:
REM
When: 26 Nov 11 16:03
Hen GC a disappoointing, but could have been worse. Picked up twice today with PC and BB. I feel underwhelmed...
By:
TEN2FOLLOWER
When: 26 Nov 11 16:08
Disappointed not to get a winner in any list, but not many will the winner, I guess.
Great Endeavour would have been a nightmare for me.
By:
JOCI Club
When: 26 Nov 11 18:25
Drew a blank too.

Disappointing race, thought one of the 2nd season chasers might have been good enough, but maybe shows there's not much coming through to challenge the likes of Long Run. WTF Wayward Prince!
By:
Hanbury
When: 26 Nov 11 19:53
Carruthers...wow, didnt see that one!

I wonder how many people have Great Endeavour/Carruthers in a line?

there are bound to be a few... they must be very happy this evening!
By:
Hanbury
When: 26 Nov 11 20:18
Rem... the subs are a good addition to the comp. I usually put in my novices then my super sub Albertas Run! He was my winning sub differentiator when I finished 9th. He won the ryan air and a race at Aintree. I was in 54th before Albertas ran at Aintree and worked out if he won the max I could move upto was 9th. After he won I couldnt believe that no one else between 53rd and 9th had Albertas! That was a buzz!!

Yes I agree with your sizing startegy, very good idea. Plus something else could come through that needs to go in, Like maybe Wishful Thinking. Havent made my mind up about him yet. His handicap win off an Irish 159 rating at Punchestowns was a fantastic performance. Im glad he goes to the Tingle creek, at least we will find out if he is fast enough before Cheltenham!

Who do you feel will win the Tingle Creek 25 points?!
By:
TEN2FOLLOWER
When: 27 Nov 11 10:09
I've never liked the subs.  Sad
By:
Hanbury
When: 27 Nov 11 20:00
T2F - why is that?
By:
TEN2FOLLOWER
When: 29 Nov 11 11:28
Hanbury.
If you find a dark horse that very few people do, and all of a sudden it and looks good for Cheltenham, then everyone else can sub it in.
It's easy to add a few steamers in once they have steamed.
By:
penzance
When: 29 Nov 11 12:10
got me first points at weekend,only 43,611 above mePlain
By:
Hanbury
When: 29 Nov 11 17:48
Yes, I see your point.

That is the major drawback.

I would probably benefit from that system! With all the study I do!
By:
woodworm
When: 30 Nov 11 19:50
I've been following this thread so far without contributing.
Looking forward to this w/e racing to shake things up a little.
Don't think Great Endeavour or Carruthers will be essential in this years comp as imo will find it difficult to rack up more points.
Hoping Thousand Stars becomes the first 'must have' horse with a win in the Hattons Grace this w/e and praying Wishfull Thinking can take the Tingle Creek (my feeling is SE will win that one!)

Did several lines this year; my November lines have rapidly become my December lines! but my overalls are doing okay so far. Hoping to top my 44th place finish 2yrs ago where a Grand Nat win for Black Apalache would have almost certainly put me in the top ten!
By:
Hanbury
When: 30 Nov 11 20:07
Good effort woodworm!!

You could be right about GE and Carruthers not scoring again. But I feel GE looks like he will score again imo

Know what you mean about Thousand Stars. He could be a big irish differentiator. I only have one line with him - maybe thats the one!!

Im hoping that Kauto Stone (banker), Golden Silver(banker) , Rubi Light do the business too!
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 30 Nov 11 21:51
Enjoying the thread too! Logged on tonight to find that my Greatwood nominee won a novice chase today!Kumbeshwar).

Did n't see that coming as hoped he might be firing over hurdles in time for Totesport Trophy - not sure whether I'm pleased or not!

feel the same way as Woodworm about Thousand Stars and have Wishfull Thinking, Sizing Europe and Kauto Stone on my side in Tingle Creek.

Uphill  battle though as none of my lists include Great Endeavour or Carruthers (though did put the latter in the William Hill competition).
By:
skerries
When: 01 Dec 11 13:25
december monthly starts today good luck

1042 Big Buck's 1044 Big Zeb 1066 Captain Chris 1117 First Lieutenant 1153 Hurricane Fly
1186 Long Run 1199 Master Minded 1219 Mourad 1227 Noble Prince 1248 Peddlers Cross
 


Bet Number: 2
1042 Big Buck's 1045 Binocular 1066 Captain Chris 1153 Hurricane Fly 1186 Long Run
1199 Master Minded 1219 Mourad 1248 Peddlers Cross 1302 Sarando 1393 Wishfull Thinking
By:
woodworm
When: 02 Dec 11 13:27
Thousand Stars a non runner in Ireland, anyone know why?
Shame really was looking good for 20 more pts.
Lets hope only a minor setback!
By:
REM
When: 02 Dec 11 19:22
It's now nine to follow with Tataniano out for the season. Tingle Creek is my favourite race of the year too. What's more I was very close to having Sizing Europe, but thought Tat could be an improver.

Cry
By:
Hanbury
When: 02 Dec 11 20:19
Kumbeshwar.. nice one. He has real dark horse potential. Good luck with him! Maybe the Arkle.
By:
Hanbury
When: 02 Dec 11 20:25
Yes bad news about Thousand Stars. The points were probably his.
By:
Hanbury
When: 02 Dec 11 20:27
I mean ours!!
By:
Hanbury
When: 02 Dec 11 20:35
Hey REM thats exactly how I saw it. I have 3 Great Endeavour lines... 2 with Tataniano and 1 with Sizing. Kauto Stone is in all three!
By:
TEN2FOLLOWER
When: 03 Dec 11 15:26
Might regret leaving Sizing Europe out here. 

Well, there's always the subs....
By:
JOCI Club
When: 03 Dec 11 16:30
What a shocker aboard Wishfull Thinking!
By:
JOCI Club
When: 03 Dec 11 16:30
Are they trying to ruin this horse?
By:
Chad Collins number wan
When: 04 Dec 11 10:09
pleased with sizing yesterday, got him in 1/3 of mine.  slightly hopeful for The Real Article today, not in any of my best, but can't imagine he's a popular one!
By:
JOCI Club
When: 04 Dec 11 10:30
Still not broken the 100 point barrier yet! Sad
By:
REM
When: 04 Dec 11 10:49
I have Mourad today to lighten the gloom, but I suspect he's quite popular.
By:
duffy
When: 04 Dec 11 10:53
joci...that website we were talking about the other day made a good point before the comp started i thought and it applies to a degree with how this has started.......roughly speaking they were saying that getting a bit behind because of somewhat shock results isn't anything to be worried about as the people flying high on the back of getting lucky with unusual picks probably don't have balanced lines will ultimately fall down as the more established horses find form and more balanced lines begin to get stronger....carruthers overturn...and to a degree thousand stars and great endeavour i think are examples of it......i'm hanging on to this theory for dear life.LaughLaugh
By:
JOCI Club
When: 04 Dec 11 11:00
Me too, not too worried, though my Big Guns need to start winning. I'm a Thousand Stars fan so happy with him winning as many as possible.
By:
JOCI Club
When: 04 Dec 11 11:02
Didn't include Sizing Europe in too many lists, thinking of him as a potential substitute horse. Didn't think we'd see too much of him over the winter. He's run three times already now, so maybe he won't be out again until the Spring to defend his title.
By:
Chad Collins number wan
When: 04 Dec 11 11:19
Looks like the Tied Cottage then the QM for Sizing, http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/11/12/04/RACING_Europe.html&BID=465
By:
REM
When: 04 Dec 11 11:24
duffy - I agree that lists of outsiders should eventually have too many duds to suceed unless the popular horses flop big time. But I always belive you must find one or two unusual scorers or drop a popular horse.

Was just about to say: Leaving SE out looks quite stupid now, but I thought Big Zeb would beat him over 2m in Ireland and I actually expected him to attempt the John Durkin and not come to Sandown, leaving the horse to consider come Cheltenham. So hoping BZ can show for me in the Tied Cottage.
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