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We are not talking about the best business brains here, most of them are there thanks to accidents of birth, or knowledge of the funny handshake....
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If we had a forward thinking panel on the BHA they would realise that around NOW is the time to have a showdown with the off course bookmakers. For years racing has been the tail that wagged the dog and its time that some courses were hung out to dry and the fixture list has a sword taken to it as, imo this level of racing is not sustainable at the lower end.
The Summer jumps break should be reinstated, going stick readings should be monitored and more horses should get "holidays" if a reasonable explanation is not forthcoming. Instead, and if they run to form, i would expect the decline to continue |
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Dont get me started on the ROA Empty......Dixon must be the most mystifying appointment in the history of the sport?
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zilzal1 24 Oct 10:54
If we had a forward thinking panel on the BHA they would realise that around NOW is the time to have a showdown with the off course bookmakers To have ANY sort of SHOWDOWN one requires SOME sort of BACKBONE & some willingness to 'take one for the team'..... With all the 'corporate hospitality' on offer, how likely is this sort of outcome? We've got people who like racing because they are paid to like it, batting for us........Not people who love the sport & would take one in the knee to see it prosper. Admiral Rous is long gone lads! |
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Zil, as JJ states VESTED interests probably do not agree with taking on anyone
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Well they will end up with the knickers around the ankles having found out that the bounder isnt that honourable!!
When your off course "partner" promotes other products that take customers away from the sport you run, move house to avoid maintenance and demands yet more dilution, you would think that the penny would start to drop. Look what the caring off course firms did to the greyhound industry |
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There's a thread on the other forum where Cgull is asking about current weather/going on the flat today......
Best answer is some bloke from Rotherham ("not too far away") saying he's had a dry night...... Welcome to Racing in the 21st Century lads...... |
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Gawd. What a state they've go themselves in.
If they don't grow balls there all doomed, if they do, they may be doomed for doing so. |
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Phil 24 Oct 10:26
Has anyone thought of posting "marker" horses for as a guide to the going (it's a good excuse to berate the trainer when he gets it wrong!)? You could use marker horses Phil but Noble Alan for instance won on 7 at Ayr I think it was and given as good ground. That was his best performance and after that trainer stated he is a very good horse on fast ground. However after last win he's quoted as saying he is a good ground horse. now he know he's basically saying that good or faster is what he wants and probably doesn't want it really soft. So it is difficult one really |
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Zil, as usual, you make perfect sense & the onlyflaw in your argument is that it assumes a modicum of common sense from those in a position to do something to arrest the decline of this sport....
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onjo 24 Oct 11:08
There's a thread on the other forum where Cgull is asking about current weather/going on the flat today...... Best answer is some bloke from Rotherham ("not too far away") saying he's had a dry night...... Welcome to Racing in the 21st Century lads...... It's a joke innit, 1/2 hour and you could have an update, but no, brunch with sponsor or bookie rep is more important. |
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I wonder what oversea racing officials, say in Hong Kong, view all this.
I would like an insight into what they think. |
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Phil, apply for a job at the BHA (if you got kicked out of Sandhurst you'd have half a chance)
They go on no end of 'jollies' to the colonies to study different methods of running the sport & then come back & give secretaries loads of findings to collate, then they ignore them. |
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They probably think we are Larfing stock of racing industry Phil
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Newbury failing to give any readings out early again. simply not good enough
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Nobody will tackle them Stevie, must be a blinding menu in the press room there?
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Takin p!ss Stevie is way i'd put it and BHA doing nothing about it or media not saying diddly squat takes p1ss too, but what do you expect when they all p1iss in same pot.
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BHA pay media (via ch4) to keep the same cr@p coming.....
Media dont question BHA in case payments stop coming..... Clerks do as they like knowing that the above is FACT. |
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There was a 6.9 given at 3.15 yesterday. I'm disappointed the racing post and bha site didn't at least leave that up until the new one comes in if one does come in.
Had to check the 'one for tomorrow thread' on the forum. been sitting here waiting for a reading all morning. |
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Media don't question because badge and lunch with Hood, Dillon, Derby , Buckley, Bell, Sir Henry etc may be stopped
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Im surprised the Nanny hasnt introduced "Lucky Dip" betting only in some shops, you know, just as a trial.
Someone told me that they actually have a lucky dip for some pool betting, ive no knowledge if this is true, but it would fit the remit of how the power that be want betting to become |
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they announced on the morning line this morning that the going at newbury had changed to good to soft all over but RP site is still giving the going as good (good to soft in places)
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Thier webmaster is probably having brunch with a bookie rep Outpost to see if he can get another advert on site.
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Had enough of this**again, so it will probably be another no betting revenue from me again
fantastic way to run your business innit. |
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There is an interesting piece from Graham Cunningham on betting.betfair, regarding the start at Carlisle on Thursday. If those in charge of the sport share the same opinion (as the starter), about punters, then it's no wonder the sport will continue to struggle. If you can't attract new punters, and continue to turn off your existing punters, then surely it's obvious where the sport will go. I think it's time for someone in charge to tackle some of the issues that concern punters. I'm certainly not holding my breath though.
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Yep, Hawk Wing, seems that the customer in racing has to be shaped and moulded to suit the sport, its no wonder that the share of the betting pie has gone south
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1stpastthepost 24 Oct 11:56
We're in the longest recession since records began so of course the racing post decides to up it's already exorbitant price, racing uk is at least double what it used to cost and all the while racing spends fortunes agonising over how it's going to get more people into the sport, with ridiculous marketing twaddle about brian's and ben's. all seems like a very bad joke imo. ******************************** More & more people feel like the lad above, yet the band plays on.... |
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The Magician (6) 24 Oct 12:14
Wizard can you make a weeknight. 6:30 pm shaftsbury avenue london Jonjo? Zil? Prufrock? ***************************** I cant Zil..................can you? |
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On a thursday or friday night i can, there has to be a meeting beforehand though, we dont want to be sending off in all the wrong directions
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BHA delays Darren Williams licence decision
By Graham Green4.48PM 21 OCT 2009 DARREN WILLIAMS will have to wait another week before learning when he may be allowed to resume riding after the hearing into his licence application - to which the BHA objected - was adjourned on Wednesday afternoon. Williams, who nearly four weeks ago completed a three-month ban from the sport for passing information for reward and associating with disgraced gambler Miles Rodgers, has been given until next Thursday to provide character references before the licensing committee make a decision on his future. *********************************** Should these references be forthcoming, I hope they are made public, because I would like to know who in racing stands full square behind this latest 'comeback kid'....... |
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Yes you will defo have to meet beforehand Zil, you can't go into a meeting with the BHA unarmed so to speak,afterall your representing us forumites and the betting public in general,I'm sure you will represent us well, the magician6 has some strong views, and I know you and prufrock carry our opinions as to what's wrong with the racing in this country, it's whether the BHA will do anything with the suggestions we put forward, ok everyone can listen but it's action we need before the game falls deeper into decline than it already is.
At least they have offered a meeting which is a start, just be hard not to lose your rag with them if questions go unanswered, good luck guys anyway. |
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Not being funny here Stu, but how do you suggest we cope if the questions remain unanswered? :-)
Losing our collective rags, seems a pretty good starting point to me? We CARE about this (& other issues) We are not being PAID to care about it (unlike them) If answers to perfectly legitimate questions are not forthcoming, it will surely mean it is time to open up the debate as to whether those in charge are fit to remain in charge? We have repeatdly looked to open up debate on the watering/ground issue both on here & via the media, there is no way on God's Green Earth that they are not aware of this thread, the people behind it & their motivation to see the sport prosper. However, the most we get from them is emails forwarded to their 'course inspectorate' & nothing back from them, it's frankly like pulling teeth. THEY are the ones firefighting, rather than looking to engage with people who care deeply about this sport (which you would think any forward thinking regulatory body would do) They are quick enough to canvass opinion about the sport from people who dont actually like it, so they can alter it to suit them! |
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I think if zil does join this punters panel then he needs to find out the agenda of the others on the panel before they go near the BHA.
somebody had a go at me before for suggesting that we might not all be after the same things. I was told that it proved punters had no chance of being taken seriously when we couldn't agree with each other. my problem with their ideas at that time was that they were complaining about**trainers / jockeys / owners and they wanted to ask the BHA what they were going to do about it. I just felt that the BHA would just dismiss the punters group right away and would never take them seriously if they went in just to complain about every beaten favourite and why they didn't take action when spencer / hills / hughes / holland etc don't "try" to win. even if the BHA did nothing to change things, they would still take the "clerkwatch" views seriously, but they will not be interested in any group of "pocket talkers" this could be our one and only chance of ever getting an officially recognised punters group. we can't afford to blow it by rushing in screaming "everybody is **ing" |
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Went to a leaving do last night and have the hangover from hell
Agree with Outpost entirely, i wont appear unless its constructed properly, you cant go in firing blanks in all directions, i, for one, wouldnt be au fait with the law regarding Prosecution over alleged wrongdoing by trainers and Jocks and would concentrate on the watering/going stick angle. We would need a meeting beforehand to sort how we are going to attack and what their retorts may be. |
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Alleged 'wrongdoing' by jockeys/trainers is a waste of time imo.
The things we ought to be looking for answers from them are 1. watering 2. GPT 3. Coverage of the sport & where the BHA think they are taking it 4. Accessability to the sport |
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We can't use the **ing angle at all, that goes on in any sport where money is involved, and if I owned horses I would want the worst (best) possible handicap mark to start with, and achieve it by the best possible means or fairest within the rules of racing as Sir Mark does on a regular basis. So I wouldn't even go down this avenue about non triers or jockeys not trying 100%, think they will not invite further discussions if we try this approach, like you say the pocket talkers angle. I think the issues we (or you) have to raise are for the good of the sport like more prize money, less racing (calender needs revising), gross profits tax, proper accurate going discriptions with stick readings being taken at 3 points across the track like Ascots straight course now.More 16 runner plus h'caps instead of the abundance of 14 runner h'caps, and generally not being in bed with the high street firms.Not wasting money on firms trying to find a new way of generating income for the sport, and throwing money at programs like the morning line, try thinking about getting their own channel up and running and making racing free to all on tv, new blood in racing will not come if it costs you money per month or year to watch racing.
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/horseracing/stars-of-turf-face-hard-time-at-flemington/2009/10/25/1256405308435.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26258461-5013405,00.html http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-reports/bit-too-hard-for-speed-gifted/story-e6frf8wx-1225791149809 A few weeks ago I posted in regards to Australian tracks and going description's. Hopefully this settles any doubt for good about why Weld was right not to take Profound Beauty to the Melbourne Cup again. A track rated a Good 3 that wasn't. The positives with Australian racing is that you know where you stand with watering. The negatives are that the system is taken to unnecessary extremes. |
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Thanks for that Jose.
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Jose
Has anyone asked Bart Cummings what his thoughts are as those that lose tend to have a biased view. |
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Racing Victoria chief steward Terry Bailey blamed the strong wind and sunshine. "If the track had been watered to be perfect for the Cox Plate [which was race eight], the program would have had to start on slow [ground]," Bailey explained. "Is that fair to the other horses in earlier races?"
Licking trainers and Animal Rights ass is ruining the Sport in UK, so my advice is don't go down same route Mr Bailey |