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By:
ImSoLuckyLucky!
When: 22 Mar 10 13:12
Seems
State of play is alive and
Cant buy time is to be ridden by Macoy

:)
By:
uncle jam
When: 22 Mar 10 13:45
Snowy Morning all the way for me. Backed him at 40s and was delighted the handicapper was so lenient with him by dropping him a pound or two. He's been running at inadequate trips all season, hasn't even been put in the race a couple of times but finishes his races really well. Jumping has been sound too which has been his main question mark.

I've backed Ballyfitz a few times with varying degrees of success. His jumping is simply not good enough to win a National.
By:
flannybhoy.
When: 23 Mar 10 20:39
What has happened to Ilnamars revised selections , I always value his views ?
By:
Rampage Jackson
When: 25 Mar 10 22:03
ttt
By:
traveltips
When: 26 Mar 10 09:20
Is there a problem with Vic Venturi out to 25's on here?
By:
Horsesforcourses
When: 28 Mar 10 17:13
Ilnamar 21 Mar 07:56

Having updated my analysis for Cheltenham results, not a single horse fits all my trends. All that means is that no horse has the "perfect" profile, so now I will look for horses that come close - e.g. they may have a good 4th instead of a 3rd in their recent form; they may have only 3 runs in the season but have always been successful after being lightly raced.


AS still meets all the trends, no?
By:
Deep Impact
When: 28 Mar 10 17:23
Only thing AS 'fails' on in my trends is 4-6 runs that season (15/15) - although the May Punchestown run was 'technically' this season
By:
Horsesforcourses
When: 28 Mar 10 17:25
Indeed Deep - technically does still qualify
By:
trev w
When: 28 Mar 10 17:25
deep/H what about the previous races to have run in that alot seem to be using in their nat. trends now....ie top 4 henn,irsh nat etc.

you 2 using any of that...think AR does iirc ?
By:
Horsesforcourses
When: 28 Mar 10 17:28
The rule is:

12. Top 5 finish in Hennessy
OR Top 3 in Irish, Scots or Welsh National
OR Top 2 in a race over Aintree National fences
OR 3+ Chase wins at 3m+ (one being at 3m 4f+)

AS just fails on the last count with one of his chase wins coming over 20f.
By:
turnip turns
When: 28 Mar 10 17:30
Big Buck's
Posted Today @ 14:00
thanks
interesting because I can't see how he's not getting at least 2 of my top 4.
More dubious given Snowy M has to be in there regardless of any tweaking.


thats his response to the thread starter
By:
Deep Impact
When: 28 Mar 10 17:32
Yes, that's VK's trends - I use:

Won Listed/Graded Chase (14/16) - AS won Porterstown (Grade C)

The two exceptions were - Lord Gyllene (runner-up in G2 & G3) & Royal Athlete (3rd in Gold Cup)
By:
direct route
When: 28 Mar 10 17:36
surely Hello Bud meets the trends?
By:
Horsesforcourses
When: 28 Mar 10 17:38
Hasn't placed within last 3 runs.
By:
Far From Trouble
When: 28 Mar 10 17:39
I think Hello Bud misses cause he's shown feck all this season tbh :|
By:
Far From Trouble
When: 28 Mar 10 17:41
My latest fancy is becoming Irish Raptor :|
By:
lordnoise
When: 28 Mar 10 17:41
Arbor Supreme wins the Porterstown Grade C chase. This is a 0-140 handicap roughly equivalent to one of our Class 2 handicaps. I think theres a confusion between Grade 1,2,3 and Grade A,B,C here. Or am I plain wrong ? Can someone clarify ?
By:
Deep Impact
When: 28 Mar 10 17:54
lordnoise, it's a difficult one - Irish runners are usually given higher marks by UK handicapper, so I use Graded/Listed races (whatever the rating) in the respective countries.

Can't speak for others

Re: AS - the two long-distance wins have to be regarded as a positive imo
By:
lordnoise
When: 28 Mar 10 18:11
He'd be THE trends horse in race along with BFT if hed placed in last years Irish National. As it is he was never going in the race - wonder what went wrong ?
Still interested if anyone can clarify what the equivalent of Grade A,B,C handicaps in Ireland are over here ...
By:
Horsesforcourses
When: 28 Mar 10 18:59
Hi Deep, which horses are on your shortlist mate?
By:
platinni
When: 28 Mar 10 21:31
lordnoise - i addressed AS 's run in the irish national with you previously. hth

deep - any others catch ur fancy ?:|
By:
Terry Venables
When: 28 Mar 10 21:35
Plat

Happy with the AS news today :)

Must admit Ive backed him as well as SM, now reckon SM is over priced @ 27.

Had a nibble on VV today already traded out.

Pretty much done now, however do fear BFT, but hes too short @ 8/1 for a race like this.
By:
platinni
When: 28 Mar 10 21:37
hey terry, like to see support alright and im up to my neck on him tbh. SM is a horse ive always liked but he has never really attained the same form from his novice days imo. AS is more progressive but i might save on SM
By:
lordnoise
When: 28 Mar 10 22:22
platinni - must have missed your posting on AS and the Irish GN. Can you repeat please ?
By:
platinni
When: 28 Mar 10 22:42
cant find it. i referred to irish national being less classy so being off 140+ there is not the same as 140 in the english. particularly for a young horse. case and pt was thousand stars who was well beaten in the pierse off a top weight, english handicapper leaves him alone and nails the winner and placers. he boots in off a lowish weight, v similar to AS. impossible task in the IGN but off a welther in the english
By:
lordnoise
When: 28 Mar 10 23:37
Thanks. I take your point but it does beg the question why they would bother to run at all.
By:
enjbenjy
When: 28 Mar 10 23:48
To get a nice handicap mark for this hopefully.
By:
platinni
When: 28 Mar 10 23:54
why run any horses? they probably gave him a shot as they thought he was that good? pressure from owners? who knows
By:
mintymonster1
When: 29 Mar 10 00:16
Worth a punt the trends support it and if ap is on with JP's money it will be 8-1 on the day
By:
cryoftruth
When: 29 Mar 10 02:45
4-6 runs in the season - 15/15

So a horse that has had 3 or 7 runs can't possibly win because of this trend, even if it jumps best, has a stone in hand, & jumps the last fence a distance clear.
Presumably the brute then does a Devon Loch because it cannot win because the trend says so.
oh dear oh dear oh dear
By:
ak1979
When: 29 Mar 10 12:30
no ones saying it cant win, the trend is an indication of how fit the horse has to be and the last 15 winners have obliged. maybe this years wont oblige (State of Play for example) but its still useful info.

Patronising ****

;)
By:
lordnoise
When: 29 Mar 10 12:34
Looking into the logic behind the number of runs stat I'd be tempted to ditch it this year. Weve just been through the worst Winter in 30 years so were told - many well layed plans will have been ruined.
By:
ak1979
When: 29 Mar 10 12:43
Or maybe it would that make it more relevant for horses who have managed to get a few runs into them?
By:
lordnoise
When: 29 Mar 10 12:51
Your right of course ak but I would never let one trend put me off if everything else was right. Add in the wide availability of AW gallops nowadays and its one of those trends that might not be as important as it was 10 years ago.
By:
patrao1
When: 29 Mar 10 16:02
I've backed SofP and best win came going completely fresh after a long lay off and the trainer vindicates this. First time back at the mark of the victory speaking about here and 5 lbs well in on last year's performance. Great chance at the end of the day. In terms of trends, last year dispelled the French one and also the ridiculously long odds one, so whats to say this year will not dispel the lack of runs trend? Not saying trends are not helpful, but used too strictly could go against just as easily as disregarding completely can be a**-up. At the end of the day its using all info out there etc and then hoping for a bit of luck aswell!
By:
lordnoise
When: 29 Mar 10 16:13
I've a lot of respect for StOP (LOL) especially as he was hampered at 2nd Bechers last year like Mon Mome was the year before he won. But for a horse that does run well fresh he put a shocker in behind Denman in the Hennessey this year. Whats the shout from the stable ?
By:
thedemps
When: 29 Mar 10 16:53
Wouldn't have helped his chance here if he'd won a good race in the Henessey would it :-)
By:
thedemps
When: 29 Mar 10 16:53
^Run a good race
By:
glorious gonzo
When: 29 Mar 10 17:09
re: hello bud, i take the point about having not placed in previous 3 runs but thought the cheltenham run more than respectable while previous runs since becher chase were on unsuitably heavy ground.

best form is in spring on better ground. thought it took to national fences very well, is guaranteed to stay the trip, nice weight plus trainer is flying and has trained 2 winners of this race before. overpriced imo
By:
lordnoise
When: 29 Mar 10 17:12
Especially as he won the Hennessey on 06 off 145 (3lbs less). That poor run and the fact that hes obviously had problems over the years means I'd want to hear something positive from the stable before backing him.
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