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Which were/are your top six favourite bookies at the cherries?
Which were/are your top six favourite bookies at the cherries?
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"Mister E".......I was given the job (with Bernard Sunley) but changed my mind & declined it.
If I remember correctly, Billy Mahon was in Electric Avenue..the first to have street lighting. His ante post book on the Greyhound Derby was one of the biggest in its time. |
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Mr.Memory,I can recall the two John Whites being called the Sheriff and the Deputy.You would have known a man who made a book at Brixton dogs,Les Nicholls.
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Mr Memory,
Yes that is my memory of Billy Mahon, the Greyhound Derby book. Circa 1968-70 when I started; Mahon, and Margolis and Ridley were the first up with prices. |
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"whitmarsh"........I knew Les Nicholls from the racecourse...only to have the odd bet with though.
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Celtic gr,Sad to hear the news of Leslie Woods.He came down from Yorkshire and worked as a waiter in the Embassy club.I got somebody to get the pictures up for me.The one of Johnny White betting for Fordie,the clerk was Plum.I know the other bloke but I cant think of his name for the life of me.Albert Kennedy,whose daughter went to live in Nottingham,was on the firm at the time.We knew him as Winegum.A Dublin man we called Needless clerked on the odd occasion.His real name was Nelius(Cornelius).Fordie only came out once a pancake day.
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Mad Ghost,Old Johnny White was not a fighting man nor was his brother Harry.John was a lovely generous and good family man and Harry very good company in the pub.
Celtic gr,very good picture of old Neville Berry with George Dexter,also good picture of Johnny Driscoll from Clerkenwell and Billy Goller who was along with him for years.Earlier in the year they had some good Pathe newsreel of outside at Ascot just after the war,a lot of people I knew in that.Driscoll used to have two big wardrobe doors either side of the joint with lifesize paintings of Charlie Smirke in the Aga Khans colours on them,they were a great pull in.They were part of the Frank Sinclair firms tools for years.They should of ended up in a racing museum,thinking about it they were a work of art.Bobby Mack was with Johnny Driscoll until he bet in his own tools and Dave Saphir started with Driscoll. |
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Brixton Dog Track was in Knowle Close. It is a school now but there was a story about it previously being Brixton Police Station, but I'm not sure.
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Mr Memory Les Nicholls was a quiet man but a big player,Jimmy Morris(the clerk)Tony Russo(tic tac)a very efficient firm.
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Mad Ghost,I never went to Brixton dogs so I wouldnt know,thank the Lord never been in Brixton Police Station either.Only been in Brixton nick on a visit.Out of bounds for me Brixton.
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Whiutmarsh: I know John White Sr was very much a family man because I and 6 friends of mine saw him put a man in his place at White City one night who had verbally abused his son. He ws always a fair man but didn't suffer fools.
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Exactly right ,Mad Ghost.
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Matso: C;apton ran on grass but I remember it running on peat during the winter. There was a distance at Hackney of 565 yards
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Les Nicholls was a good bettor,I did a lot of business with him over the years,would always lay to take out £1200-1500...they were indeed a good tight fit firm,his brother bet at Wimbledon(Arthur...he used to buy betting shops for Mecca....most had him down as miserable but he was ok)
The worst loser was John Burrows,even when he had Jackie Dyer on the firm who was Obies brother...add in Mick Cornwall and a guy called Phil as partners and some days you could have what you liked on with them...Jack was an old time dog man and as tough as old boots... My old man was very friendly with John Whites brother and still keeps in touch with his son....who bet for Ladbrokes at Watford dogs and then on the course... A few years back there was a tv programme outing Ladbrokes on course tactics,Greg **** was the front man but another guy was behind it...anyway the programme didnt show Harry in a good light,however unpredictable as ever when Cyril Stein saw it he gave him a rise....the programme follwed a bet being struck in St Johns Wood through to Ladbrokes head office and then down to the course....the problem was the makers **** the show themselves and used bookies in the silver ring who would have had no part in either sp's or first shows... |
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Ah cheers Mr.E. Got it now, not far from the Brixton Academy then. I sincerely hope the operation went well for Mrs.E and she is fighting fit again as soon as posible, give her my best wishes for me mate.
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"celticgr"..........I never realised that Harry was related to John White....you live & learn.
I dont think that I ever saw Jack Dyer without a **** in his mouth. Best wishes to you all for the New Year. |
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Correct mdm i wonder if his brother Bill is still about
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Mr Memory
regarding Harry boy, i remember when he went to the races up north about twenty years ago, the last i heard he was running an exchange shop in Edinburgh,do you know if he still is? i am not a dog man but i love to read your articles about the betting rings of yesterday. |
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Old Harry White had a boy called Harry who worked for Ladbrokes.Old Johnny White had a boy called John who is still betting now.The Harry I mentioned was the father,it must be at least forty years ago he died.
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Funeral details for Jimmy Green are
service at St Aidans Church Finch Lane Little Chalfont Bucks HP7 9NE Service starts at 11.30 am...there is a Metropolitan Line Tube station close by...Chalfont and Latimer Afterwards the family would like to see as many people as possible at Stoke Park Stoke Park Park Road Stoke Poges Buckinghamshire Great Britain SL2 4PG No doubt there will be plenty cups of tea and some booze The family wish to pass on thanks for all of the genuine messages they have received from all over the world via either the forum and calls and texts...it has been very moving...especially in racing terms the tribute in todays Racing Post.. I know he always tried to do the right thing and stick to his principals. |
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Jimmy Green funeral date is
Friday 25th February |
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Just reading this thread again, so sad to think Mr.Memory and whitmarsh no longer post. They were without doubt the forum sages.
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Just read it again.. Great read
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Those that were fun to play with, rather than just taking huge bets were HYman at Rommers, the rows between Rafe, Harry and I cant remember the old fella with the tache...brilliant; Tony Byerley, a legend; Danny of Bunny, always time for a chat always a gent, paid out without a hitch; Barry Dennis, whatever you think of him was great fun with his own view.
I also got on very well with Phil and Joe Magnus at Rommers, another friendly firm who listened, took and paid out. Generally I found if you were fair with them, they were fair with you. |
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THE WALMSLEY BROS BELLE VIEW WOULD TAKE ANY BET OFF ME
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Slippy Blue 24 Jul 10 21:19
T&F were great bookies Southwark Star, been mentioned on here before, they got mangled by the Irish mob. It was actually the Star Racing gayer Ben who dropped 60 large to the Irish mob. T&F were done in at the GGs, where they took on the likes of Tabor/JP etc. Mark was a proper gent & always was gracious in defeat. He once gave me a lift back to the stow from Newmarket. |
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ps forgot to mention the time when Star Racing's Ben lost the plot on here after doing in a load of wine. A really embarrassing post, which he later had removed. I'm sure he loves being reminded of that
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ah yes, Ben...that was fun at The Stow...Star vs T&F...great days
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Yes Mark was a decent bloke, I used to see him at the tracks regularly. I was meaning the likes of Tabor Stow_judge that turned over T&F.
Oh for the heady days of Walthamstow, a big night there was where the sport came to life. When they closed it pretty much finished my interest in ever being an owner again.  They were queuing up an hour before racing if not longer to bag a decent plot for the night. So sad. |
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Stow Judge.. by the Irish Mob.. they meant Tabor Mcmanus Magnier & Co.and the Horse Business.
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Sorry you stated that in your Post
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was told football bets were tfs downfall owed a fortune from lay off that didnt pay
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I don't think Tabor or JP ever went to the Stow.
The Irish mob at the stow was the name given to the 2 puter oners who placed bets for an Irish chap, whose name I believe was Declan. |
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Cracking thread, for my 2 bobs worth the tall elderley chap at oxford jack cowan was a terrificly strong bookie, you couldnt shut him up with a skinny one especially if it was drawn in the middle.
I did a fair bit of clerking for the brothers at wembley in the late nineties and when jenkins turned up on the power joint there was always plenty of action. It literally seems a lifetime ago, sadly. |
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your right about jack cowan at oxford one night harry called a ,big bet over to jack, jack said you can have what you want on as long as you put it in the bag
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I could not stand tony morris
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ronnie bolton a true gent
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used to be shorter on the fav
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Must have been something personal then mad dog, I nor my Dad never once had a problem with him for over 40 years between us.
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Lambert at the Stow worthy of a mention surely
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les ray took a bet around the cheap side at the stow
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