must admit though if the likes of jim furyk literally have no chance of winning this, as they are too short off the tee, is that exactly fair? should you have a major where about 1 third of the field can't win as they're too short?

I guess that's the way the game is going though, it's become increasingly dominated by the bombers. I guess that's why I'll always prefer a player like Spieth over Koepka, just because Spieth's strengths tend to revolve around the short game. I never understood the whole fascination in golf about driving and the distance someone could get off the tee.

1 BET, LUCAS GLOVER, COME ON !!!

imo the rough is the key along with the depth of the fairway bunkers

on every course where possible the rough should taper significantly around the 300 yard mark-and basically if you go in a fairway bunker it should be very difficult to make the green-too many of the US bunkers are cosmetic

anfield makes a valid point, a lot of the courses they play on were not designed for the modern game. st Andrews being a prime example of this.

last week I found one of the par fives in particular quite boring to watch at southport, commentators were going on about how the hole was going to be pivotal, but I couldn't see it. the only drama seemed to be over whether the players were going to make birdie or eagle.

that's the problem now, on a shortish par five a top pro is going to be able to play their second shot to somewhere around the green, and now short games are so good they're going to get up and down 9 times out of 10 in those situations. makes a lot of par fives boring and predictable for me.

fancy with the tough scoring that there might be a play-off this week. spieth to win it in a play-off

The courses aren't the problem and if they get to the point where new courses are designed to curtail the pros scoring, and not for the people who play them day to day the game is in trouble. Erin Hills is a modern course and they smashed it to pieces, didn't matter it was the longest major course ever.

Equipment needs limitations at the professional level. Gary Player been saying it for years. Nothing wrong with different rules at pro level than for the weekend warrior, there are comparisons for this in other sports. The pros do get scoring advantages anyway over the weekend warrior besides talent, how many balls would they lose if not for the spotters that don't exist when Joe Everyday plays?

The courses aren't the problem and if they get to the point where new courses are designed to curtail the pros scoring, and not for the people who play them day to day the game is in trouble. Erin Hills is a modern course and they smashed it to pieces, didn't matter it was the longest major course ever.

Equipment needs limitations at the professional level. Gary Player been saying it for years. Nothing wrong with different rules at pro level than for the weekend warrior, there are comparisons for this in other sports. The pros do get scoring advantages anyway over the weekend warrior besides talent, how many balls would they lose if not for the spotters that don't exist when Joe Everyday plays?

The courses aren't the problem and if they get to the point where new courses are designed to curtail the pros scoring, and not for the people who play them day to day the game is in trouble. Erin Hills is a modern course and they smashed it to pieces, didn't matter it was the longest major course ever.

Equipment needs limitations at the professional level. Gary Player been saying it for years. Nothing wrong with different rules at pro level than for the weekend warrior, there are comparisons for this in other sports. The pros do get scoring advantages anyway over the weekend warrior besides talent, how many balls would they lose if not for the spotters that don't exist when Joe Everyday plays?

The courses aren't the problem and if they get to the point where new courses are designed to curtail the pros scoring, and not for the people who play them day to day the game is in trouble. Erin Hills is a modern course and they smashed it to pieces, didn't matter it was the longest major course ever.

Equipment needs limitations at the professional level. Gary Player been saying it for years. Nothing wrong with different rules at pro level than for the weekend warrior, there are comparisons for this in other sports. The pros do get scoring advantages anyway over the weekend warrior besides talent, how many balls would they lose if not for the spotters that don't exist when Joe Everyday plays?

The courses aren't the problem and if they get to the point where new courses are designed to curtail the pros scoring, and not for the people who play them day to day the game is in trouble. Erin Hills is a modern course and they smashed it to pieces, didn't matter it was the longest major course ever.

Equipment needs limitations at the professional level. Gary Player been saying it for years. Nothing wrong with different rules at pro level than for the weekend warrior, there are comparisons for this in other sports. The pros do get scoring advantages anyway over the weekend warrior besides talent, how many balls would they lose if not for the spotters that don't exist when Joe Everyday plays?

The courses aren't the problem and if they get to the point where new courses are designed to curtail the pros scoring, and not for the people who play them day to day the game is in trouble. Erin Hills is a modern course and they smashed it to pieces, didn't matter it was the longest major course ever.

Equipment needs limitations at the professional level. Gary Player been saying it for years. Nothing wrong with different rules at pro level than for the weekend warrior, there are comparisons for this in other sports. The pros do get scoring advantages anyway over the weekend warrior besides talent, how many balls would they lose if not for the spotters that don't exist when Joe Everyday plays?

rhino, what was the rough like at Erin Hills?

I thought Catchme's ban was up when I saw 16 new posts.

Sorry to disappoint frames.

Looks to me like you'd probably want to be late/early with a fairly even day today but less pleasant conditions tomorrow afternoon.

Tiger a hairline fracture or what?
We all forgot the Masters chaps?

5,6 pts bigger.

maybe he has injury issues, but wouldn't it be amazing if big cat was to win again?

that would top the masters for me. it would change the way we look at these tournaments, we'd start to realize that tiger is the dominant force again.

imagine that, from being written off as a force who would never win another tournament again, let alone a major, to the best player in the world and dominating his rivals again. you couldn't write a movie script that good

yeah I wonder if tiger not playing beforehand just shows his confidence, he thinks he's going to win without even bothering to prepare.

there doesn't appear to be a shot tracker on the normal pga tour website, but there's some vague thing on the site home page. pretty poor coverage really after what we had at the masters

Fluffing?

10 is a nasty starting hole

pieters looking to raise the double.