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By:
Escapee
When: 29 Aug 24 20:44
Trump's last 'interview' was with weirdo musk.

is trump going to do any 'normal' interviews?

I dunno about peak Harris, but peak Trump was 2016, 8 years ago.
By:
keyboard_line
When: 29 Aug 24 23:58
the 2.04/2.06 magnet for both of them could have its work cut out tonight
By:
blank
When: 30 Aug 24 01:01
Those Bloomberg polls were well timed for Kamala backers. It was looking a relatively poor day but now she has flipped RCP's battleground map. Big divergence with Silver's model that expects the polls to be giving a convention bump, and all the other models which look like they just ride through it as normal.

Regarding past polling errors. The pollsters defenders say that past errors don't carry over, pollsters recalibrate for each cycle, and an error is just as likely to go either way. Some people look at things like the WA primary and special elections and can see if anything is off, it matches polling this year apparently.

.https://split-ticket.org/2024/08/22/a-very-detailed-examination-of-the-washington-primary/
By:
keyboard_line
When: 30 Aug 24 02:21
i think she said as part of that teaser about having a republican in her cabinet
By:
keyboard_line
When: 30 Aug 24 02:51
looks like its over with no real damage
By:
tobermory
When: 30 Aug 24 14:20

Aug 30, 2024 -- 1:01AM, blank wrote:


Those Bloomberg polls were well timed for Kamala backers. It was looking a relatively poor day but now she has flipped RCP's battleground map. Big divergence with Silver's model that expects the polls to be giving a convention bump, and all the other models which look like they just ride through it as normal.Regarding past polling errors. The pollsters defenders say that past errors don't carry over, pollsters recalibrate for each cycle, and an error is just as likely to go either way. Some people look at things like the WA primary and special elections and can see if anything is off, it matches polling this year apparently..https://split-ticket.org/2024/08/22/a-very-detailed-examination-of-the-washington-primary/


Those polls are more like the Peak Kamala I expected. Though I do think it is the peak, and it is still weaker than Biden 2020. It would be good enough to win right now given accurate polling. But I expect she will struggle to maintain those numbers and I flatly don't believe they are polling Trump accurately. The reasons for underestimating Trump are that Trump has been toxified in the media. And this is more the case in this cycle than the previous two (Jan 6th & 'convicted felon'). And I don't see how they are gonna fix it if Trump voters simply don't tell them.

By:
tobermory
When: 30 Aug 24 14:22

Aug 23, 2024 -- 10:45PM, edy wrote:


Robert F. Kennedy Jr@RobertKennedyJrPresident Trump scammed American workers. He promised to bring back manufacturing, raise wages, fix trade deals, close the carried interest loophole, and help small farmers. But everything President Trump achieved were things the Republican machine wanted. We got a tax cut for Jeff Bezos, deregulation for special interests, and giveaways to agriculture conglomerates.President Trump let the Bush wing of the GOP run all his agencies. His Interior Secretary was an oil & gas lobbyist. His Defense Secretary was a Raytheon lobbyist. His EPA Administrator was a coal lobbyist. His HHS Secretary was a pharmaceutical lobbyist. And his Labor Secretary was a lawyer for mega corporations.President Trump’s supposed support for farmers ($28 billion) all went to Big Ag conglomerates. We had the worst rioting and looting this country had seen since the 60s under President Trump. He inflamed racial tensions and didn’t keep us safe. Instead of using federal law enforcement to stop the rioting, Trump thought it was good optics to let Democrat-run cities burn.President Trump bragged about arming Ukraine more than Obama did. He also walked away unilaterally from the intermediate range nuclear missile treaty with Russia, destabilizing our relationship. He also exacerbated tensions between Ukraine and Russia that ultimately caused a war.Trump appointed the worst neocons to the highest positions of power in his administration: John Bolton, HR McMaster, and Robert O’Brien. Now, Lindsey Graham is one of his top advisors and likely to be his Secretary of State.President Trump bombed Syria, killed an Iranian general, and failed to fulfill his promise of ending the war in Afghanistan.President Trump invented lockdowns. He shut down millions of small businesses and facilitated the greatest wealth transfer to billionaires in this country’s history.President Trump did nothing to solve the opioid crisis. It got far worse under his tenure while his appointees running HHS were in the pocket of big pharma.If you think a second Trump term would be any different, you are engaging in wishful thinking.4:08 AM · May 27, 2024·2.1M Viewshttps://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1794913465594962285What an inspirational man of true principles.


That's the biggest reversal since Kamala said Biden was a racist who she believed had raped a woman.

By:
edy
When: 30 Aug 24 14:40
What did Harris say exactly?
By:
edy
When: 30 Aug 24 14:57
I know that you know that I know you were lying (again), tobermory. There is merely a personal curiosity to learn if you are going to own it for a change.
By:
tobermory
When: 30 Aug 24 19:08
Is an edy fact check imminent?
By:
edy
When: 30 Aug 24 19:31
edy • August 30, 2024 2:57 PM BST
I know that you know that I know you were lying (again), tobermory. There is merely a personal curiosity to learn if you are going to own it for a change.


That's a no then I guess. Shame. The kids these days simply aren't what they used to be.
By:
edy
When: 30 Aug 24 19:35
Back when I used to be young whippersnappers, the people had a basic set of morals, integrity, honour and backbone.
By:
blank
When: 31 Aug 24 13:03
They had hints that polling was wrong in 2020 but didn't address it.

Levy told me that, in 2020, the people working the phones for Siena frequently reported incidents of being yelled at by mistrustful Trump supporters. “In plain English, it was not uncommon for someone to say, ‘I’m voting for Trump—**** you,’” and then hang up before completing the rest of the survey, he said. (So much for the “shy Trump voter” hypothesis.) In 2020, those responses weren’t counted. This time around, they are. Levy told me that including these “partials” in 2020 would have erased nearly half of Siena’s error rate.

If the polls say 60/40 Kam in November but the market says 50/50, Im probably not going to put any extra on Kam. Polling errors maybe but also Trump is more likely to contest the election and be layable in the days after a defeat.
By:
blank
When: 31 Aug 24 13:09
Trump in a bit of a bind with Florida abortion vote. He said he would support it a couple of days ago but has now flipped after a backlash from the pro-life movement, potential to lose votes either way.
By:
tobermory
When: 31 Aug 24 15:37
Trump didn't handle that well though I think the number of votes lost would be tiny either way.

If someone has the right to abortion as a fundamental issue to them they likely have never voted Republican. While only the most fanatical pro life will dump Trump.

eg someone like Matt Walsh is actually fanatical pro life, but he is still supporting Trump.
By:
tobermory
When: 31 Aug 24 15:48
I read that article a while back re correcting the polls by including the 'Trump! fk you!' voters.

I'm a bit sceptical that it would account for half the error.

Usually with a cold calling structure you have to persuade the person to agree a conversation before asking the key questions and people typically terminate the call at that point, though fairly politely.

I think the 'shy' Trump supporters are more likely graduates who are working in environments where they dare not declare Trump support, and so get used to keeping it to themselves.
By:
keyboard_line
When: 01 Sep 24 23:57
blood ell, i turned 50 today
1.99 trump, 2.1 harris
makes total sense
time to roll a fat one
By:
keyboard_line
When: 02 Sep 24 01:05
so poly is going 24% she wins all 6 swings
interesting

https://polymarket.com/event/will-kamala-harris-win-every-swing-state?tid=1725235152982

surely thats not going to happen
By:
keyboard_line
When: 02 Sep 24 01:16
AZ, GE, MI, NV, PA, WI
By:
keyboard_line
When: 02 Sep 24 01:21
****, its ga isnt it ikll try again
By:
keyboard_line
When: 02 Sep 24 01:22
AZ, GA, MI, NV, PA, WI
By:
keyboard_line
When: 02 Sep 24 01:22
****g bang on
By:
keyboard_line
When: 02 Sep 24 01:24
anyway, surely that wont happen
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 02 Sep 24 12:05
Well, it's certainly more likely than trump winning them all
By:
blank
When: 02 Sep 24 14:48
There's probably only a couple of points difference between winning what she needs and winning all 6. Probably the same with Trump and the popular vote.
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 03 Sep 24 20:15
Kamala leads on rasmussen lol
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 03 Sep 24 20:19
Not a well respected poll, but still showing a big swing since the handover
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 04 Sep 24 09:55
Interesting that the magas are saying one of their SC judges has gone a bit rogue, re voting decision in Arizona
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 04 Sep 24 10:19
How far to we think the supreme court would go for trump?  Obviously he'll get the nod in a bush gore scenario, but I'm thinking they wouldn't do anything where they'd be open to ridicule
By:
Escapee
When: 04 Sep 24 11:43

How far to we think the supreme court would go for trump?


In the context of election betting, One should assume the SC will continue to protect Trump from justice and go to great lengths to facilitate a Trump win in 2024.

By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 04 Sep 24 11:50
I think there's a limit to those lengths
By:
dave1357
When: 04 Sep 24 12:36
not for a couple of them
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 04 Sep 24 12:53
There's 9 iirc
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 04 Sep 24 13:17
Reading between lines it seems that Thomas is starting to irk ACB
By:
blank
When: 04 Sep 24 14:10
They didn't save him in 2020 so he would need a bigger case and more evidence this time
By:
blank
When: 04 Sep 24 14:17
I suppose if it only came down to 1 or 2 states with a tight vote they could get involved, but that's like the bush gore scenario
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 04 Sep 24 14:18
That's a fair point which is ignored by the market i think.  Also kamala having casting vote in the event of the ec tie
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 04 Sep 24 14:18
(that they did nothing in 2020)
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 04 Sep 24 14:20
I suppose the most likely scenario rearing the head is trouble in georgia with the suspected interference and election board
By:
GeorgeBrush
When: 04 Sep 24 14:28
That's assuming the senate stays democrat of course. Or is it based on the existing senate anyway?
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