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By:
OilyWragg
When: 10 Jun 13 12:57
Up to date running totals;

Based on LTO Performance;

22/59 won and a profit of +17.3 points
42/59 Placed and a profit of +12.93 points

New Trainer;

8/29 and a profit of +27.94 points
15/29 placed and a profit of +12.04 points
By:
OilyWragg
When: 10 Jun 13 13:39
Monday;

Based on LTO Performance;

2.30 Newton Abbot Green Lightening
3.45 Brighton Highlife Dancer
4.00 Newton Abbot Forever My Friend
4.45 Brighton Macaabra

Ire.

7.20 Roscommon Saratoga Baby/To Choose

New Trainer;

8.40 Southwell Hollins 10/1 or less
By:
OilyWragg
When: 11 Jun 13 09:30
Yesterday;

Monday;

Based on LTO Performance;

2.30 Newton Abbot Green Lightening...................................Placed at 1.61
3.45 Brighton Highlife Dancer........................................Won at 2.66 Placed at 1.51
4.00 Newton Abbot Forever My Friend..................................Placed at 1.62 (traded to 1.3)
4.45 Brighton Macaabra...............................................Unplaced (Traded to 1.4)

Ire.

7.20 Roscommon Saratoga Baby/To Choose....1st and second, Won at 3.56 and Placed at 1.43 and 1.49 (2nd traded to 1.04)

New Trainer;

8.40 Southwell Hollins 10/1 or less............N/Q
By:
OilyWragg
When: 11 Jun 13 10:26
Tuesday;

Based on LTO Performance:

9.10 Worcester Man Of Leisure
4.05 Salisbury Pippy
5.35 Salisbury Maria Montez 6/1 or less
9.10 Lingfield Big Thunder
7.00 Lingfield Young Jackie 6/1 or less
2.15 Fontwell Wester Ross

New Trainer;

6.50 Rosscommon Boragh Waters 12/1 or less

fto in mdn

2.30 Salisbury Starkight Serenade
By:
OilyWragg
When: 11 Jun 13 17:44
Maria Montez gets us on the board, back from 5.8 to win at 4.
The maiden selection was unlucky, trading to 1.04 caught at the death but placed at 2.7.
By:
OilyWragg
When: 11 Jun 13 19:08
Young Jackie backed from 4.8 to 3.07 and wins.
By:
OilyWragg
When: 12 Jun 13 08:57
Yesterday;

Tuesday;

Based on LTO Performance:

9.10 Worcester Man Of Leisure................................Won at 2 and placed at 1.16
4.05 Salisbury Pippy.........................................unplaced
5.35 Salisbury Maria Montez 6/1 or less......................Won at 4 and placed at 1.55
9.10 Lingfield Big Thunder...................................Placed at 1.32
7.00 Lingfield Young Jackie 6/1 or less......................Won at 3.07 and placed at 1.59
2.15 Fontwell Wester Ross

New Trainer;

6.50 Rosscommon Boragh Waters 12/1 or less- Non Runner
By:
OilyWragg
When: 12 Jun 13 09:03
Up to date running totals;

Based on LTO Performance;

34/72 won and a profit of +21.39 points
50/72 Placed and a profit of +12.23 points

New Trainer;

8/29 and a profit of +27.94 points
15/29 placed and a profit of +12.04 points




Wester Ross..............unplaced
By:
OilyWragg
When: 12 Jun 13 12:31
Wednesday;

Based on LTO Performance,

5.00 Beverley Rockweiller 6/1 or less
3.20 Haydock Ambleside
4.10 Yarmouth Black Dave
4.00 Beverley Frog Hollow
7.50 Hamilton Roker Park
5.10 Yarmouth My Own Way Home 6/1 or less


Ire.

7.00 Fairhouse Paynes Friend/Dot Parker 6/1 or less

New Trainer;

fto mdn for trainer

2.50 Haydock Royoumti/Where The Boys Are
2.10 Yarmouth Witchy Woman
By:
OilyWragg
When: 13 Jun 13 12:24
Yesterday;
Wednesday;

Based on LTO Performance,

5.00 Beverley Rockweiller 6/1 or less.................................unplaced
3.20 Haydock Ambleside....................non runner
4.10 Yarmouth Black Dave..............................................Won at 5.26 and placed at 1.66
4.00 Beverley Frog Hollow.............................................Placed at 1.52
7.50 Hamilton Roker Park..............................................unplaced
5.10 Yarmouth My Own Way Home 6/1 or less.............................Placed at 1.84

Ire.

7.00 Fairhouse Paynes Friend/Dot Parker 6/1 or less...................Placed at 1.5 and Placed at 1.86
By:
OilyWragg
When: 13 Jun 13 12:26
Up to date running totals;

Based on LTO Performance;

35/79 won and a profit of +19.65 points
55/79 Placed and a profit of +13.61 points

New Trainer;

8/29 and a profit of +27.94 points
15/29 placed and a profit of +12.04 points
By:
OilyWragg
When: 13 Jun 13 13:41
Thursday;

Based on LTO Performance;

6.50 Haydock Zaitsev 4/1 or less
5.35 Newbury Balmoral Castle/Garrisson 6/1 or less
8.10 Uttoxeter Tom Wade 8/1 or less
4.20 Yarmouth Alceous
4.55 Yarmouth Star Lahib
3.15 Yarmouth Doncaster Belle


Some undefined ones at any prices, second run for trainer;
1.50 Newbury Pearl Street
7.30 L Place In My Hearts

Mdns
2.00 Nottingham Exceeder
7.20 Haydock Broadcaster
By:
Platinum
When: 13 Jun 13 14:11
Unlucky with Exceeder Oily, betaen after trading at 1.01. Was on at 16 myself, the place price was nice though.
By:
OilyWragg
When: 14 Jun 13 12:29
Yesterday was poor;

Thursday;

Based on LTO Performance;

6.50 Haydock Zaitsev 4/1 or less......................................unplaced
5.35 Newbury Balmoral Castle/Garrisson 6/1 or less....................unplaced
8.10 Uttoxeter Tom Wade 8/1 or less...................................Placed at 1.89
4.20 Yarmouth Alceous.................................................Won at 1.6 and placed at 1.1
4.55 Yarmouth Star Lahib..............non runner
3.15 Yarmouth Doncaster Belle.........................................unplaced
By:
OilyWragg
When: 14 Jun 13 12:31
Up to date running totals;

Based on LTO Performance;

36/84 won and a profit of +16.25 points
57/84 Placed and a profit of +11.6 points

New Trainer;

8/29 and a profit of +27.94 points
15/29 placed and a profit of +12.04 points
By:
OilyWragg
When: 14 Jun 13 13:02
Friday;

Based on LTO Performance;

3.25 Musselburgh Here Now And Why(4) 6/1 or less
4.00 Musselburgh Street Entertainer(4)

Ire;
5.50 Navan R U Sirius 8/1 or less
7.30 Navan More Questions 4/1 or less

New Trainer;

4.45 Aintree Killala Quay
6.45 Clonmel Passing Through 10/1 or less


fto in mdn
6.50 Goodwood Salford Secret
By:
OilyWragg
When: 15 Jun 13 09:02
Yesterday - poor again

Friday;

Based on LTO Performance;

3.25 Musselburgh Here Now And Why(4) 6/1 or less........................unplaced
4.00 Musselburgh Street Entertainer(4)..................................unplaced

Ire;
5.50 Navan R U Sirius 8/1 or less.......................................unplaced
7.30 Navan More Questions 4/1 or less...................................Placed at 1.88

New Trainer;

4.45 Aintree Killala Quay...............................................Won at 4.03 and Placed at 2.1
6.45 Clonmel Passing Through 10/1 or less............N/Q
By:
OilyWragg
When: 15 Jun 13 09:04
Also yesterday - for the second day running the fto mdn horse beaten into second place at a nice price having taded as low as 1.07 in running, previous day was beaten having traded at 1.01 !!
By:
OilyWragg
When: 15 Jun 13 09:06
Up to date running totals;

Based on LTO Performance;

36/88 won and a profit of +12.25 points
58/88 Placed and a profit of +9.48 points

New Trainer;

9/30 and a profit of +30.97 points
16/30 placed and a profit of +13.14 points
By:
OilyWragg
When: 15 Jun 13 10:53
Saturday;

3.40 Bath Highlife Dancer
5.55 Lingfield Senorita Guest
8.55 Lingfield Standpoint 6/1 or less

New Trainer;

3.35 Musselburgh Racy 12/1 or less

At big prices;
5.05 Sandown The Bull Hayes

fto mdn;
4.50 York Greed Is Good
By:
OilyWragg
When: 16 Jun 13 10:18
Yesterday;

Saturday;

3.40 Bath Highlife Dancer.......................................Won at 2.87 and placed at 1.36
5.55 Lingfield Senorita Guest...................................unplaced
8.55 Lingfield Standpoint 6/1 or less...........................Won at 4.01 backed in from 5.8 and placed at 1.64

New Trainer;

3.35 Musselburgh Racy 12/1 or less...very unlucky traded to 1.45 and just touched off at 13.83 but placed at a nice 3.55
By:
OilyWragg
When: 16 Jun 13 11:18
Up to date running totals;

Based on LTO Performance;

38/91 won and a profit of +16.13 points
60/91 Placed and a profit of +9.48 points

New Trainer;

9/31 and a profit of +29.97 points
17/31 placed and a profit of +15.69 points
By:
OilyWragg
When: 16 Jun 13 12:03
Sunday;

Based on LTO Performance;

4.00 Salisbury Professor



the rest;
4.30 fto mds Charlie Wells
4.10 not first run for trainer Darling Boyz
By:
OilyWragg
When: 16 Jun 13 16:39
Sunday;

Based on LTO Performance;

4.00 Salisbury Professor.................Won at 1.97 and placed at 1.17
By:
OilyWragg
When: 16 Jun 13 16:41
Up to date running totals;

Based on LTO Performance;

39/92 won and a profit of +17.1 points
61/92 Placed and a profit of +9.65 points

New Trainer;

9/31 and a profit of +29.97 points
17/31 placed and a profit of +15.69 points
By:
OilyWragg
When: 16 Jun 13 17:32
TB
5.35 Salisbury Carrera
By:
OilyWragg
When: 17 Jun 13 13:17
Monday;

Based on LTO Performance;

3.45 Carlisle Corton Lad(3) 6/1 or less
6.05 Windsor Highlife Dancer
6.20 Warwick Rowlestone Lad(6)
6.50 Warwick Dancheur/Wicked Wench(3)
7.35 Windsor Balty Boys 6/1 or less(4)


the rest
Not fto for trainer 8.35W Hassle
fto in mdn 8.35W MME Sans Gene
By:
OilyWragg
When: 18 Jun 13 11:04
Aproaching the end of another 100 bet cycle;
Up to date running totals;

Based on LTO Performance;

39/96 won and a profit of +13.1 points
62/96 Placed and a profit of +7.43 points

New Trainer;

9/31 and a profit of +29.97 points
17/31 placed and a profit of +15.69 points




Poor yesterday;

Monday;

Based on LTO Performance;

3.45 Carlisle Corton Lad(3) 6/1 or less...Non Runner
6.05 Windsor Highlife Dancer.....................................unplaced
6.20 Warwick Rowlestone Lad(6)...................................unplaced
6.50 Warwick Dancheur/Wicked Wench(3)............................Placed at 1.78
7.35 Windsor Balty Boys 6/1 or less(4)......N/Q
By:
OilyWragg
When: 18 Jun 13 12:38
Tuesday;

Based on LTO Performace;

3.30 Thirsk Trade Sceret 8/1 or less
4.45 Thirsk Lilac Lace
5.20 Thirsk West Leake Hare
6.20 Thirsk Clean Blow
8.20 Brighton The Mongoose 6/1 or less

Ire.

6.15 Sligo Baine
6.50 Sligo Vasoni(6)/Three Bells
7.20 Sligo Auden (8)

New Trainer.

5.10 Stratford Buckthorn Timothy 10/1 or less

the rest
6.20 Thirsk John Coffey
By:
OilyWragg
When: 19 Jun 13 07:58
Yesterday;

Tuesday;

Based on LTO Performace;

3.30 Thirsk Trade Sceret 8/1 or less......N/Q
4.45 Thirsk Lilac Lace.......................................unplaced
5.20 Thirsk West Leake Hare..................................Won at 3.07 and placed at 1.52
6.20 Thirsk Clean Blow.......................................unplaced
8.20 Brighton The Mongoose 6/1 or less.......................Won at 2.87 and placed at 1.27

Ire.

6.15 Sligo Baine.............................................Placed at 1.68
6.50 Sligo Vasoni(6)/Three Bells.............................Won at 4.9 Placed at 1.61 and 1.35
7.20 Sligo Auden (8),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Won at 3.36 and placed at 1.44

New Trainer.

5.10 Stratford Buckthorn Timothy 10/1 or less...............unplaced
By:
OilyWragg
When: 19 Jun 13 08:28
Thats the end of our second '100' bet cycle;

The New Trainer results second time round are much better having cut out some of the under performing trainers turning a loss of 22 points into a profit of 29 points from just 32 bets. I think that section is sorted for now so will continue it from its current mark.

The LTO Performance was steady away and increased the profits from 11.3 points to 19.3 but made less in the place markets. I'll start that cycle again from zero and see if its possible to better it, although with a strike rate of around 40% this might just be as good as it gets. If it is then a profit of 11-20 points or so every month or so is still decent. 

2nd '100' bet cycle

Based on LTO Performance;

43/104 won and a profit of +19.3 points
68/104 Placed and a profit of +6.62 points

New Trainer;

9/32 and a profit of +28.97 points
17/32 placed and a profit of +14.69 points


1st '100' bet cycle


Based on LTO Performance
29/99 with a profit of +11.31 points
Placed 65/99 with a profit of +19.54 points

New Trainer:
6/48 and a loss of 21.96 points
13/48 placed and a profit of +6.57 Points
By:
OilyWragg
When: 19 Jun 13 12:58
Wednesday;

Based on LTO Performance;

Ire.

6.30 Wexford Thomond
7.30 Wexford Real Appeal

New Trainer

4.35 Uttoxeter Golden Acorn 10/1 or less

The rest,
fto mdn 8.50 Ripon Helter Skelter
By:
Deltâ
When: 19 Jun 13 22:26
good stuff Oily, nice to see a GR thread in profit

keep up the good work
By:
OilyWragg
When: 20 Jun 13 13:35
Cheers Deltâ,

Thursday:

Based on LTO Performance;

4.40 Ripon Ginger Jack(3)
5.20 Warwick Itilaian Riviera(2)
6.40 Lingfield Great Crested (10)
9.10 Leicester Cruiser(6)

Ire.

6.45 Leopardstown Morning With Ivan(5)

New Trainer:

6.30 Ffos Las Sandyhow
5.20 Warwick Wild Desert 12/1 or less

the rest;
7.30 Leicester Sakhees Rose
2.55 Warwick fto mdn Hand Grenade
4.10 Warwick fto mdsn Charlies Wish
By:
OilyWragg
When: 20 Jun 13 16:03
Ginger Jack a winner at 3.05
Hand Grenade, placed at 4.27 !! Just beaten having traded to 1.24.
By:
OilyWragg
When: 20 Jun 13 17:26
Wild Desert backed from 12.5 to 6.27 and wins nicely.
Italian Riviera placed at 1.57.
By:
OilyWragg
When: 21 Jun 13 12:21
Yesterday;

Based on LTO Performance;

4.40 Ripon Ginger Jack(3).................................Won at 3.05 and placed at 1.27
5.20 Warwick Itilaian Riviera(2)..........................Placed at 1.56
6.40 Lingfield Great Crested (10).........................Placed at 1.22
9.10 Leicester Cruiser(6).................................Placed at 2.68

Ire.

6.45 Leopardstown Morning With Ivan(5)...................Unplaced

New Trainer:

6.30 Ffos Las Sandyhow...................................unplaced
5.20 Warwick Wild Desert 12/1 or less....................Won at 6.27 and placed at 2.88 having been backed from 12.5
By:
OilyWragg
When: 21 Jun 13 12:46
Friday;

Based on LTO Performance;

2.10 Redcar Sherry For Nanny
8.55 Goodwood Jubilant Queen

Ire.

7.25 Limerick Vasoni 6/1 or less
8.30 Limerick Killourney Empress

New Trainer;

8.40 Newmarket Bourbon



8.45 Down Royal Riverside City
By:
Vadim88
When: 21 Jun 13 22:42
Hey, OilyWragg! ;)
Friend of mine sent me the link to this post -
looks pretty good to me!

I also read form - its like daily SUDOKU to me.
May I ask more information on HOW you pick LTO out?
It looks like you found some edge.

Thanks!
By:
OilyWragg
When: 22 Jun 13 11:35
Hi Vadim88,

I think the 'edge' is just gained from my willingness to spend 10 hours a day looking through the form book. I try to pick horses that have had a decent race last time out in the context of the race that it is running in today. Normally they will have ran within the last nine days and not have been overraced in previous weeks. What I have discovered is a lot of those that dont win do trade to low odds on prices in running and I'm currently working on whether its beneficial to lay these selections in running at a price which would be in relation to the horses starting price, or the price taken if better.

The 'New Trainer' selections are based on the trainers previous ability to transform a horse first time up for its new yard. Again form study is needed to asess the horses ability to perform in the chosen type of race and I also like to see some market support. 

All input is welcome. Deltâ is very good at spotting 'New Trainer' horses and its always worth taking note of any he puts up.
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