FINE AS FROG HAIR
31 Jul 11 18:08 Joined: 12 Mar 07 | Topic/replies: 3,736 | Blogger: FINE AS FROG HAIR's blog
Eggman
In other words you don't really seem to know any more than any others do as to BF's real costs structure vis a vis maintaining and expanding the betting pool.
I was sort of hoping you would.
And so the debate will go on in its unfortunate fact deficient manner.
Entertaining but essentially irrelevant.

At no point have I mentioned Betfair’s ‘real costs structure’ or how much it may or may not cost them to expand ‘the betting pool’, so it’s strange for you to think that I may be privy to any inside information with regard to this.  If you are particularly interested in these areas, maybe you should have a look at Betfair’s corporate site?

It’s also hard to have sufficient facts when talking about possible future scenarios.  I’m sure you’re aware of the difficulties surrounding predicting the future.

I just posted that I don’t think Betfair are punishing certain customers, but pursuing a strategy of profit maximisation.  I questioned whether this strategy could be detrimental to Betfair’s longer-term prospects for growth as it seemingly contradicts some of the core brand messages that enabled Betfair’s success, and adds another layer of complexity to their charging structure.

Eggman
Just be honest.
It's going to hurt you specifically.
And you don't like it as such.
Nothing wrong with that attitude.
As to whether it is wrong for either BF or for the majority of other users ( exising or future) is not clear at this moment in time.
I did not assume that you knew any more than anybody else on anything, I was just hoping that you could perhaps back your opinion on the whole matter up with a few more facts than anybody else.
I was wrong and that's the end of it ( for me at least).

How about " Whingers Always Welcome " instead ?.

Reading Peter Webb blog  (bet Angle)   ...I think Peter will make alot of money out of Betfair new PC rules, not only is Peter getting matched on Betduck, but now everyone who brought the bet angle software for betfair, would now have to buy it for betduck

have a look at my thread that i just posted, its an idea to replace the premium charge it could work and have a look but it would need support, it could be the answer to all our problems

Err which one is my question.

of course it opens another can of worms[ are people prepared to pay for winners in advance of using the exchange] they clearly are prepared to keep moaning about it on here and everywhere else, I think if I were betfair I would of done things differently but of course now I reckon if a replacement for the pc were found then a lot of people would back it because there is no doubt that the pc is damaging in a public relations sense, no one complains about line rental or standing charges on energy meters and these charges make mega millions for companies!

From his ad nauseam posts I would be surprised if he even gets time to have a bet.

frog2 writes: "just 400k-500k a year tax free and you are complaining about giving betfair a few extra quid. Unbelievable really."

Tax free? Hardly. PC is a tax and the income is hardly guaranteed either.

Two points:

1) Wouldn't be surprised if this 60% charge would in future be adopted on smaller lifetime winning margins (therefore many more people affected)

2) Wouldn't be surprised if in future, commission was payable on all losing bets as well.

As for bff mentioning purple not being as good - I compared two identical races last night. Pre-race the purple had a higher amount matched pre-race, similar in-running and only about 10% less at close of the race. This to me clearly shows that liquidity over there is rising fast, therefore making it a viable alternative for those who are about to be (or have been) hit with PC2.

gerard

really..the only thing that matters is, can you get you bets matched at the prices you want...with each passing day, this is happing more and more...

2) Wouldn't be surprised if in future, commission was payable on all losing bets as well.

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that will never happen. BF's not going to do anything that negatively affects losers, because those are the punters they want and have serious competition for. in fact, they'd be more likely to do a commission cash-back offer to losing punters than this.

Talking of the other place, I popped over today to have a look at the football markets, but out of all the matches on offer only one had a correct score market. Is that normal for purple? Seems crazy not to offer more markets per match.

the celtic and rangers games were more than adequate and quite a few others in between
its quite satisfying how quickly you can build a bank by not paying extra commission i am quite happy

I couldn't believe only one match had a c/s market, all the others had about 5 or 6 markets - match odds, overs/unders, asian.

Is it that difficult to add more markets? I thought it would be just the click of a button for them?

So my first impression of them is that they don't care much about making money, strange. Makes you wonder if they're owned by BF lol.

You have a real devious streak in you Viva.
I like it.

i am a manual player quite happy to have doubled my bank in a week
if I think a team is not going to win I lay them - very simple -
simples ha ha - whilst some of you are all getting tangled up in this deabate about bots (which bf hss never tried to stop)  and about being charged 5  20 40 etc etc
one of the nastier aspects of the new charges as has been pointed out over and over again is how u can havea nice winning run and then a bad one but still ending up forking out !!!!   I did that already.... already - it's not for me.