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By:
Grumpy Albert Einstein
When: 09 Oct 08 21:16
Todays horses

Rudivale 255 wincanton @ 8.2------------------------------------------- won
moon melody 305 southwell @ 24
Alicia 340 southwell @ 12.5
Golden Square 405 wincanton @ price too big so dismiss
Classic clover 435 wincanton @ 5.3
Lady Malousa 505 southwell @ 15
Taboor 720 @ 8.0
Fantasy Princess 920 @ 11.0

7/8 today
15/16 after 2 days (93.75% strike rate)

The winner was laid for less than 1% of bank, using the staking plan
and still in profit over two days

No where near as spectacular as TOTGA, however I don't have bank busting liabilities

Small, steady growth, and seeking to keep the strike rate over 88%
By:
johnizere
When: 09 Oct 08 21:37
something for you to browse, totga... laptop in bed sounds about right :)

http://site.forum.betfair.com/jive3/betex/ThreadsFrameset.jsp?forumID=32&forumName=General+Betting&threadID=1360419&tName=Maria+Staking+Plan&iMessageCount=151
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 09 Oct 08 22:41
lol cheers John,

Bit gutted about my 2 x c/s lays losing today. Thanks for the link but reckon ill be reading it 2moz, got an early day at work 2moro! :-)
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 09 Oct 08 22:44
As of tomorrow, ill be staking to what Maria was staking too.

May adjust it eventually but this will give me a guideline on how good/bad the system is.

Will be introducing a 0.2% liability for all bets placed over the odds of 11.0.

Like all staking plans which are essentially mathematical formulas, The Maria staking plan can be broken down into rules.

1) - There are 3 distinct odds ranges to be aware of. The following is based on a starting bank of £3000

Prices below 3.5: lay to 1% of bank - backer's stake £30 (liability is always under £75 in this price range)
Prices from 3.6 to 7.4: lay to 0.6% of bank - backer's stake £18 (liability is always between £46.80 - £115.20 in this price range)
Prices from 7.5 to 11: lay to 0.4% of bank - backer's stake £12 (liability is always between £78 - £132 in this price range)
Anything above 11 or 10/1 is left alone.
2) - If making profits, the stakes are increased on a daily basis in proportion to the betting bank on a daily basis. For instance, if after day 1 the betting bank is at £3300 then 1% would now be £33 rather than £30.

3) - If after a days betting the cumulative betting bank has decreased the stakes are left alone unless 35% of the highest level of the bank is lost, when the stakes are re-calculated based on the new "65%-sized bank"

For example if your using £3000 as your starting betting bank, you would keep the same stakes used until your betting bank went below £1,950 when those backer's stakes would become £19.50, £11.70 and £7.80 until the bank gets back up to £3,000 again (or - even down to £1267.50 - a further 35% loss).
The 35% drop is always worked out from the highest point of the bank.
By:
REM
When: 09 Oct 08 22:55
http://www.expertbettingadvice.co.uk/forum/thread18432.html

Think this is what you are looking for TOTGA.
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 09 Oct 08 23:02
Perfect REM, couldnt find it anywhere.

I may also try and link the staking into football lays with outright and c/s lay bets.

Will see how it goes and will choose my selections for tomorrow by lunch time 2moz!
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 10 Oct 08 07:45
Starting Bank of £3000

Staking:
1.01- 3.5: lay to 1% of bank - backer's stake £30 (max liability £75.00)
3.6 to 6.9: lay to 0.8% of bank - backer's stake £24 (max liability £141.60 )
7.0 to 10.0: lay to 0.6% of bank - backer's stake £18 (max liability £162.00)
10.0- 18.0: lay to 0.4% of bank - backer's stake £12 (max liability £204.00)
18.1- 25.0: lay to 0.2% of bank - backer's stake £6 (

all stakes are increased/ decreased to reflect to the days prior results. ie- Day One, makes a profit of £300, new bank £3300, above odds will reflect 1%, 0.8% etc of new bank, (ie- £3300, 1% £33.

Stakes above, 1%, 0.8% etc will be kept until the bank reaches £200, Stakes will then be adjust to read the above percentages on the 2k total.
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 10 Oct 08 07:47
Starting Bank of £3000

Staking:
1.01- 3.5: lay to 1% of bank - backer's stake £30 (max liability £75.00)
3.6 to 6.9: lay to 0.8% of bank - backer's stake £24 (max liability £141.60 )
7.0 to 10.0: lay to 0.6% of bank - backer's stake £18 (max liability £162.00)
10.0- 18.0: lay to 0.4% of bank - backer's stake £12 (max liability £204.00)
18.1- 25.0: lay to 0.3% of bank - backer's stake £9 (max liability £216.00

all stakes are increased/ decreased to reflect to the days prior results. ie- Day One, makes a profit of £300, new bank £3300, above odds will reflect 1%, 0.8% etc of new bank, (ie- £3300, 1% £33.

Stakes above, 1%, 0.8% etc will be kept until the bank reaches £200, Stakes will then be adjust to read the above percentages on the 2k total.
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 10 Oct 08 12:50
£150 Its Bertie @ 6.6
Carlisle 2.00pm
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 10 Oct 08 12:50
£150 Its Bertie @ 6.6
Carlisle 2.00pm
By:
garfield
When: 10 Oct 08 13:07
G'dayTOTGA, good start. But I thought you were going to adopt Maria's staking plan, weren't you?
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 10 Oct 08 13:15
oops, sorry! didnt mean to type £150, dreadful mistake on the first bet!! lol
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 10 Oct 08 13:26
Checkerboard @ 14.0
Carlisle 2.30pm
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 10 Oct 08 13:45
Nicky Tam @ 6.4
Carlisle 3.05pm
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 10 Oct 08 14:18
Piscean @ 7.0
Lingfield 3.20pm
By:
johnizere
When: 10 Oct 08 14:21
:( booo.... unlucky totga
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 10 Oct 08 14:24
it was always going to happen!!

Just dont want anymore!!
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 10 Oct 08 14:26
Some Touch @ 5.6
Carlisle 3.35pm
By:
johnizere
When: 10 Oct 08 14:26
5f handicaps... not for me, thanks.
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 10 Oct 08 14:29
Hi TOTGA ....

Are you selecting them based on place market odds in relation to win market ????

If so, should you not be delaying a decision to last few seconds before race????
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 10 Oct 08 14:35
Hi DFC, dont look at the place market odds, i use some stats and ratings i have researched, havent done too bad but a bit gutted with the loser!!
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 10 Oct 08 14:38
Fair enough ...just curious as FS I think used the place market odds as a guide to whether a lay was worth doing or not etc

As you are posting em well before off time , then there can be big moves in between that and off etc.....but as this is not how you are selecting em .....does not matter .

GL with this one....I suspect a 7 yo wins.....
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 10 Oct 08 14:41
wd
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 10 Oct 08 14:43
I had GLINGERBANK as possible nap today in comp......opted to go for another one .......was not clear on this race so decided to leave it out !

Seems to be a phase most of us go through ...selecting wrong one of two.
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 10 Oct 08 14:43
I'll leave you to concentrate on selections TOTGA...
By:
kavvie
When: 10 Oct 08 14:44
your last 2 succesful lays both touched 1.25 in running..ur close to the bone!!
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 10 Oct 08 14:45
Sorry for not replying DFC, it shard to work and be on here at the same time!

Was a close race jsut though!

Check out my next lay and let me know what you think?
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 10 Oct 08 14:46
Vintage @ 8.2
Lingfield 3.50pm
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 10 Oct 08 14:48
I know Kavvie, but they didnt win though!! :-)
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 10 Oct 08 14:49
Appears to be a "good" lay in that it should not win IMO.....fav probably does...GL
By:
johnizere
When: 10 Oct 08 14:50
I fancy Vintage to place, but I don't do sprint h'caps, no bet races for me. gl.
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 10 Oct 08 14:51
Market has it right at SP ...between top 3 and V is not one of em
By:
johnizere
When: 10 Oct 08 14:54
Vintage could have won that one if EA hadn't got him stuck in traffic..
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 10 Oct 08 14:54
well I thought a 5 yo would win....so it did .......just ad-libbing I often select wrong one of 2....did it again :D

A close one there
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 10 Oct 08 14:57
Bougoure @ 6.0
Carlisle 4.05pm
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 10 Oct 08 15:00
If going was faster BOUGOURE would probably win....but going is not that so I agree it won't win.
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 10 Oct 08 15:03
Have to shoot off now but these are my next 4 lays!

Charm School @ 2.7
Lingfield 4.20pm

Freddie The Third @ 7.0
Carlisle 4.40pm

War Of The Roses @ 7.6
Lingfield 4.55pm

Liberation Spirit @ 10.0
Lingfield 5.25pm
By:
garfield
When: 10 Oct 08 16:21
Excellent work once again TOTGA.
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 11 Oct 08 20:34
Fridays P@L below.
10/11 correct (Average Odds 7.37)
+£68.80
Bank £3068.80

I will list todays selections in a bit, i know its after timing but they are all part of the system.
By:
The One That Got Away
When: 11 Oct 08 21:17
Ascot
1.10pm Spin Cycle 12.0
1.45pm Galeota 15.0
2.20pm Allied Powers 7.6
2.50pm Laahig 14.0
3.30pm Four Winds 8.2
4.05pm Siberian Tiger 19.0
4.40pm Lochstar 8.0

Musselburgh
2.10pm Kay Two 15.0
2.40pm Record Breaker 7.8
3.15pm Aegean Dancer 17.0
4.20pm Matraash 10.5
4.55pm Dispol Kylie 8.6

Chepstow
1.25pm Ice Tea 16.0
2.00pm Five Dream 9.6
2.35pm Crescent Island 2.88
3.05pm Irish Legend 8.6
4.15pm Tchico Polos 6.0

Hexham
2.15pm The Shy Man 4.0
2.45pm Primrose Time 10.0
3.20pm Something Gold 12.0
3.50pm Shankly Bond 5.5
4.25pm Youngstown 3.25
5.00pm Reasonably Sure 9.0
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