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By:
Poppydog.
When: 29 Jul 22 12:45
Feel for you, SontaranStratagem
By:
SlippyBlue
When: 29 Jul 22 13:04
Exactly the same as you Poppy, 20 years on here and never have played slots, roulette, blackjack etc here or anywhere else for that matter.
Yes it's awful for S.S. to be in this appalling situation, dreadful in fact.
By:
duffy
When: 29 Jul 22 16:58
Same as poppy and slippy and I've never played in a live casino ever!!! and haven't bought a lottery ticket in a few years and even then it was sporadic.

Anyway, SS says that he's been suspended until he hands over the documentation but Wesdag has been saying that you are allowed to 100 a month unless you hand over the documentation so which is it?

Has SS done his 100 and will be back on again next month???
By:
tobermory
When: 29 Jul 22 17:09
Does this £100 a month thing not take into account previous profits?

So....

January - +1,000 profit withdrawn
February- +1,000 profit withdrawn
March -   deposit £100. Bet loses. Can't have another bet until April 1st?
By:
Analyst
When: 29 Jul 22 17:51
Hills have effectively stopped me sports betting because I am in a small long term profit situation - they are not interested in me unless they are taking money off me on a regular basis and not giving it back. They are so risk intolerant of the profits, punters who are not profitable to them are dropped and not even honestly told.

I can understand if someone is losing say £500 per week on a regular basis some checks are required but the window should be over say three months. Hardcore addicts will open accounts all over the place so you can't even have a 100% thorough check.

Its amazing that you can buy a £30,000 car on credit with £400 month payments, but have more checks when you deposit £100 with Befair.
By:
england_v_south_afri
When: 29 Jul 22 18:06
This really is very depressing. Sad
By:
duffy
When: 29 Jul 22 18:16
Time for BF, I mean PP to come on and have an open and frank discussion to explain why exactly they are taking the heavy handed approach they are.

No chance they'll do that....how are they going to disguise the fact they are trying to bury everything apart from the slots.

Just how many slots customers are being targeted?
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 29 Jul 22 19:07
I wasnt even allowed the £100 limit wesdag said he got. Because I was already past that this month so Im not even allowed to bet or redeposit etc

I find it utterly oathetic we cant even lose our own money, cant even make our own choice to gamble anymore

Like I said last night Im not even a big player, its loose change I use ffs

I cannot be bothered with live chat its an utter waste of time and effort, we should be allowed some privacy and giving up our rights to keep our bank statements private should not be done with these thugs, we dont get much privacy do we give us that at least Plain
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 29 Jul 22 19:09
Ive still got 365 and Smarkets for the time being

But how long until they decide to demand such documents now im essentjally transferring the money to them?
By:
MC Roller
When: 29 Jul 22 20:40
I got out a few years back. Nearly 30 years of losing. The mightymac said gambling is a waste of time, shortly before he disappeared. I agree with his statement. Do I miss it, do I heck.

I respect those who make it pay though, and I feel for the folks being hit with this very intrusive business. Sad days indeed. The World is a depressing place at the moment.

Music is my escape. I'm going to keep enjoying my music and fck all the depressing stuff.

Good luck to you Sont.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 29 Jul 22 21:14
You too MC

I wont be gambling for much longer either once all 3 hit me with it

I guess its find something new unless we make changes
By:
Senyatta
When: 29 Jul 22 21:59
think a lot of us will do that OP. anyone wondering what kind of stuff is going on just needs to go on twitter and search a few hashtags - at this stage nothing surprises me
By:
mesmerised
When: 29 Jul 22 22:05
Swerve the News as well, the media's currency is negativity, not a conspiracy, bad news sells. You don't need to know what's going on in Ukraine, you can't do anything about it. The only good thing about mass media is that it's diluted the numbers for traditional main stream press/TV, and they can't get away with as many lies as they used to, Kind Regards.
By:
mesmerised
When: 29 Jul 22 22:06
Also, may I suggest fantasy sports games as a well to get your fix, Draftkings especially if you like your big American sports and are a night Owl.
By:
Analyst
When: 29 Jul 22 22:51
If a punter goes into live chat with them you will probably get a customer services person who will say something trader has reviewed your account and a block has been put in place (....because your are taking money off us but they don't say this). You can't speak to the trader (decision maker is used in a famous Governement organisation) i.e. the inaccessible expert with all the power. Thus they create a filter screen its not me saying you can't bet its the accounts trader.(which could even be computer software).
By:
HallGreenSpy
When: 29 Jul 22 23:01
You speak to a normal customer services peep and then they forward you on to a member of the gestapo who sincerely apologise for the inconvenience whilst telling you that ure fuuuked until you provide the docs. Very very sorry state of affairs.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 29 Jul 22 23:16
“Sorry for the inconvenience” no they aint they couldnt give a to33

The moment theyre inconvenienced though they soon whine

We live in a society of Im all right jackers until Im not
By:
Des Pond
When: 29 Jul 22 23:38
Hope you get it sorted sonty. Have you considered building the bank up again with small bets at bigger prices? or doing the opposite of what Money Tree says? Maybe Haaland to score tomorrow. H'e will want to make his mark straightaway, and his new teammates will probably oblige with plenty of assists.
By:
loui
When: 29 Jul 22 23:43
My mate got checked by sadblokes cos he won 2.5k over a year or so, said he was a money launderer, which was hilarious cos he works in a hospital laundry, so yeah he is a launderer. That's what it's mostly about these days, but 99% of the time picking on the wrong people. It's idiotic.
By:
dustybin
When: 30 Jul 22 07:50
It’s a sorry state of affairs where some individuals have to weigh up their personal Liberty against the freedoms that are allowed to others.
And all for what?
Because snakey left tyranny felt educating the thick was pointless while oppression was favourable to free markets.

I’d be on to my MP, the GC and the CEO for starters.
By:
G Hall
When: 30 Jul 22 07:57
As stated before let's say customer restricted to 100 a month deposit, punter loses account balance then deposits 100. What strategy can be employed to build the bank,without making further deposits, or is it a waste of time.

A punter used to betting in minimum stakes of £20 and upwards surely can't go back to staking in figures of £2/3, can they? Which to me seems what they would have to do to prevent making further deposits  each month.
By:
sixtwosix
When: 30 Jul 22 08:23
I had my 'once in a lifetime' win last year with Billy.
I can now only put singles on horses , any accumulator/perm restricted to 1 or 2p.
However they still give me more free bet offers than all the other sites .....who I have not won big time with ......

Conversely so along as I do not include a horse , I can put on perm/accum to win gazillions on mixing golf , tennis , football etc......

Mind I bought a bottle of whisky and was asked if I could afford it and did I have an alcohol problem in the local supermarket and unless I gave them personal affordability data and took a breath test , I could only buy 1 miniature a month ..........not.
By:
dustybin
When: 30 Jul 22 08:48
The whole ham-fisted approach is as absurd as what’s going on over genders, it’s ill fitting and places the onus of all blame on the masses who have no say in the outcome.
I can’t see either not crashing down at some point such is the level of contrivances.
If you have the money at point of sale you can spend it as you wish, to pick out individuals who still produce the money and treat them with suspicion is prejudiced.
By:
HallGreenSpy
When: 30 Jul 22 09:22
Most MP's are backing this nonsense dusty. Mine certainly is. Sent an email and got a reply backing the review. Standard tripe I would imagine all of Westminster can use.
By:
barstool
When: 30 Jul 22 09:36
Unlucky SS, but you are doing the right thing keeping your affairs private, who would not want to do that?.
In the late evenings I am still seeing slots and free spins advertised, bf included.

I had an e-mail from them about responsible gambling after making a loss and a couple of deposits during Ascot week. So since then I have limited my bets on here and I am using the daq as well. So bf's loss. Strange business that encourages it's customers to seek out rivals. Or is there some collusion going on?
If so, I can only think they want to drive the exchanges to closure so they can make everyone one bet at safeguarded sp's instead.

They know clearly where the main problem lies, young people on low incomes betting on slots, silly exotic football accas and the like but that is what they have cultivated and groomed for twenty years and is all they want to live off right now.

I would imagine a lot of their older clients who bet on the exchange, property owners with investments savings and pensions and their children to care about are being hit unnecessarily. Why would we want to throw away our life's work at our age?

Best of luck wherever you go SS. Hope somehow it resolves itself.
By:
dustybin
When: 30 Jul 22 10:21
HGS

The MPs didn’t differentiate between types of gambling, they spoke out of both sides of their mouths and I’d like them to explain how they think it’s turning out and provide evidence to a number of questions I’d put to them.
Either way this would be a Supreme Court ruling to find against the unilateral practice of creating an arbitrary cut off point for gambling (imposed only on some things for some people)

I have my suspicions but it might be that all eyes are on America and the carcass of the rest of the gambling world can go to hell as long as the gambling companies can show regulators there they are abiding with government doctrine.
By:
duffy
When: 30 Jul 22 13:39
Afew missing what's going on I think, the books are using the white paper as an excuse to cull who they don't want, they've been doing it for years via stake reduction anyway, all they are doing is now getting rid of those same victims.

If the GOVT now said, the white paper is scrapped and forget it, the books would STILL carry on with what they are doing IMO, they want to wipe out the sports bettors and let the casino, slots players be.

I reckon the slots players won't be getting targeted like the sports bettors are......Online is beginning to be treated by them as betting shops are, machines only and very few sports bettors.
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 30 Jul 22 14:06
Don't forget or ignore either that this is under a Tory government.  How much worse would we have to accept were the Labour lot in charge?
I've said it before and I say it again, this is the thin end of a huge wedge.
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 30 Jul 22 14:09
I got the same HGS but I persevered and sent him a string of comments from on here, particularly about the rise of illegal layers etc;, and he just spouted what seemed to me to be pre-prepared stuff too.
By:
duffy
When: 30 Jul 22 14:29
The notion that the GOVT will do something has only served to give the books the excuse they want to do precisely what they have been looking to do for the past few years, don't get too hung up by the GOVT's input...the books will continue the way are without any further encouragement from the GOVT.
By:
dustybin
When: 30 Jul 22 14:52
duffy

I have yet to hear of the winners getting shut out. Anyone paying PC getting requests?
Ive never played a slot on here in my life, and never will, I pay PC every week pretty much and if you believe the conspiracists on here Im winning bf's money (rubbish)
Ive never been contacted and dont expect to be.

It fringe people who have perhaps had a losing spell or just an overall poor win to com ratio.
By:
dustybin
When: 30 Jul 22 15:12
Id like to hear from anyone who has
1) Access to the PC Portal
2) A Total Charges to Gross Profit ratio under, say 15%
And is in profit for the last month/3month period
3) Been asked for documents
By:
brentford
When: 30 Jul 22 15:18
Haven't made deposits since it became an issue...only bet long term markets here since PC and yet to suffer any real nasties so have just kept balance higher and only withdrawn when in noteable excess

not sure can still access the portal, my old bookmark doesn't work but I didn't think that was still available tbh..
By:
dustybin
When: 30 Jul 22 15:25
my betfair account >betting activity >Premium Charges

But if you havnt been contacted, then its my theory your average is superior than the cut off
Since the argument that people are trying to make is that its not aimed at those that fall under a certain calculation then lets see if there are anyone who has a good win ration but are being asked for documents
By:
brentford
When: 30 Jul 22 15:28
yeah can access that version...

as I say though DB, I've deliberately kept higher surplus than previously to avoid suddenly having to make a) more deposits and b) bigger deposits

I'd rather find out from someone else (as you I guess) if it's a problem, rather than court it..
By:
dustybin
When: 30 Jul 22 15:30
People have been speculating that they have been stopped having lost, as well as depositing

Well most people deposit having lost, and losing changes the ratio
By:
brentford
When: 30 Jul 22 15:41
If I go out of pc (i.e lose on a long term market, typically a test match or competition outright) just because of the nature of markets involved and style of trading it rarely if ever goes below 19.x so it's never been a significant re-funding required or an account changing amount to the negative...in terms of being stopped on a loss alone I'd be very surprised but compared to many on here I'm quite small fry, just that style and market interests have been very susceptible to pc...

there's still a few decent amount traders on here so hopefully someone can add to it but a loss on a long term funded account (with no significant redeposit) has no reason in theory to get picked up on....it certainly shouldn't anyway..
By:
dustybin
When: 30 Jul 22 15:42
Thats just good houskeeping having better administration of a balance.
Its something everyone should be doing now, its a subject Ive spoken about numerous times
Ive even said bf need to brink back the AUS style wallet as a balance that isnt gambled mistakenly but can act as a reserve in case of losses, avoiding deposits
By:
dustybin
When: 30 Jul 22 15:44
Im guessing at 15%, it might be higher and those who have been contacted just have a ropey record that they arnt admitting
By:
dustybin
When: 30 Jul 22 15:48
...thats not me saying they are right to have a cut off, but it would resonate with the theory only those at risk are getting their collar felt
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