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not really interested what he does in his own box because he shouldn't really be in there the same way nobody turns up for a match wanting to see Ronaldo, Messi or Neymar in their own area. I never had Pogba ahead of Silva or De Bruyne but with them, Sane doesn't really justify inclusion. If I was playing for Jose doing donkey work when it's not in my nature I'd switch off as well, don't think he had that problem at Juve.
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He didn't have that problem at Juve because he had Bonucci-Chiellini-Barzagli in front of Buffon and both Pirlo and either Marchisio or Khedira behind him.
Sorry, but teams cannot carry passengers any more. Even Messi tracks back and puts a shift in. Pogba is nowhere near his level and just doesn't have the defensive ability or tactical nous to be part of a 2 or straight 3 midfield. |
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Very creative and talented going forward, only made to look bad by the abject defence and poor management, on talent he deserves a spot, not his fault the recruitment at OT has been poor. Proven his good enough to be a regular in a top team and country, not his fault his manager is Jose.
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Surprised 2 people picking Matic in their overall team; he is absolutely gone at the game.
Was getting slaughtered on Redcafe last I looked. Was poor 2nd half of last season and probably United's worst player this season (which is saying something looking at some of the others) |
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He's been one of their more consistent performers last 2 seasons, don't know they're talking about, then I haven't seen every game but quite a few of them.
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lfc1971 22 Nov 18 09:56 Joined: 06 Nov 11 | Topic/replies: 29,044 | Blogger: lfc1971's blog
De Gea Valencia Smalling Kompany Shaw Matic Martial Pogba De Brune/ Silva Mane Aguero ( Sanchez) Righty oh, then. You would have 7 players from a United side 12 points behind City after 12 games. Additionally, you would have 4 of the back 5 from a Utd side that has conceded 21 goals in those 12 games compared to City's 5.   You take ridiculous positions on so many subjects and defend those steadfastly; but you can't accept your often very flawed logic. |
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Well you will have to understand the difference between a team conceding goals and a defence conceding goals
We were talking about individual players Let’s take one player de gea , is he 16 goals worse than cities keeper ? |
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the original point was that United had better players man for man.
I think it's fairly similar overall, but if I was picking an 11 they'd be 6 United players and 5 City players, City are ahead because imo, Jose has lost his touch and no longer has the man mangement skills he used to have. |
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Then also you have to understand how the modern game is played , City for example may have conceded only 5 goals
But it may not be because they gave a good defence |
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* have a good defence
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i could explain how it works if you like
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What is it that makes the difference then ( and it’s very fine margins really )
It’s numbers , that’s all just numbers ,or a very big part of it |
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Let’s put it like this , when city attack they attack with 10 men
When they defend they defend with 10 men , they are fit and fast and strong enough to do this ( and very skilful ) Other teams don’t do this That gives city , and other teams who have the confidence ( which winning brings ) a very big edge |
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If you seriously think Utd have 7 players better than City in match ups, and, the huge difference between the teams performance is simply down to tactics then you are simply the worlds biggest 1diot.
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When a city attack breaks down , quite often the ball is cleared and is again picked up by a city player , again in the opponents half
Because city have 10 players ( ok maybe not quite ) in the opponents half And so the pressure continues City have players all around to find as they are attacking They can attempt a clever little pass , it might come off it might break down , ok They might win it back again ! Of course there is the danger that the other team might break away But it’s not as big a danger as you might expect , city players are quick to get back And then again as in the wolves game 1-1 i think Wolves had 3 or 4 clear breakaway chances But you see most modern players can’t score in one on one situations , they panic That’s how it works |
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I guess if you don't support Man United you don't follow their individual players too closely. I don't support them either but I noticed Matic had been crap the last few times I'd seen him and had a look at what their fans thought.....
 "He's so done. I cannot believe we are still persisting with him. Even Giggs at age 40 was a better midfielder than what Matic is now." "His legs have gone. It's not his fault and I'm sure he's trying his best but he needs to be dropped immediately and sold in the summer." "I have genuinely grown to hate him. I actually hate seeing him nowadays, and his gormless fecking face with his mouth open. I never noticed how stupid the man looks before, but since he's bottomed out in terms of performance I'm paying attention to other aspects of him. I can't stand him and cannot wait until he's no longer a first team player (ie - when Jose leaves)." "He's finished as a top level footballer or a starter for us. No idea what it takes for him to be dropped, absolutely awful once again." "Agreed. And so many fans called that he was past it before he signed. Purple patch at the start of last season was a false dawn. Fitting in with our time under jose." "What I'd give to get this **** out of our club... A **** coward. At least Fellaini & Herrera have some balls, while being ****. This **** is the worst." "Idk if is considered reliable or not but Paul Hirst has done a piece for the Times today saying that Mourinho's refusal to drop Matic is causing unrest in the squad." |
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whiney United fans complain all the time about anyone and yearn for the Fergie era. Doesn;t mean much, looked pretty competent in the Champions Leauge as well, maybe just an easy target.
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Because he's ex-chelsea as well and a Mourinho boy, Mata not first team player so gets less stick.
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I will admit I haven't seen every single game though, unless you were a hardcore United fan you would.
Don't understand what the fan means when he says "his legs are gone", that kinda gives his game away - Matic's never had legs. |
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I think even with players that don't have speed as a strength of their game will eventually get too slow to hack it at top level. I guess his positional sense meant he was a yard ahead of opponents that were a yard quicker than him. But if he is now 2 yards slower than them then he is probably done.
Scholes gave an interview saying that's what happened to him. He was never quick either in his prime, but he said there was a game he finally was so slow that the game was just passing him by. |
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If it was a Champions League final or a World Cup final you might consider putting Pogba in a combined team Utd?City but if you were talking about who you want on a league basis there really is no comparison. Pogo has all the attributes apart from the most important one - attitude.
Combined team for me would be De Gea Walker, Stones, Laporte, Mendy fernandinho De Bruyne David Silva Bernardo Silva Sane Aguero Appreciate Guardiola would nearly always play Sterling but for me Bernardo Silva and sane are slightly preferable. |
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Pogba has a great attitude for France and did for Juve, players have downed tools under Mourinho his last 2 clubs, Pogba would thrive under a different manager.
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De Gea
Valencia Smalling Kompany Shaw Matic Martial Pogba De Brune/ Silva Mane Aguero ( Sanchez) As Utd stutter to a 0-0 at home v canon fodder and City breeze to a 4 - 0 away win this cretin looks ever more cretinous.......... |
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^ silly boy , Spurs 3-1 win against Chelsea was more impressive than city’s as was Liverpool’s away win
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ps special mention for Sane , the best player in the league as I said before
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Utd are appalling at the minute : )
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Still waiting for scandinavian_hamann to thank me.
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If you mean when you said that Tottenham will finish 10 points ahead of United, Chelsea and Arsenal then there's another 25 games to go!
Think you may be right with United unless they sack Jose, doubt you'll finish 10 above Chelsea and Arsenal, though you should finish 4th behind City/Liverpool/Chelsea. Chelsea just had an off day, they are much better than that last night - you also have to factor in Europa League football which you get dragged into. |
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Not sure what is funnier Matic ahead of Fernandinho or Pogba ahead of either Silva or De Bruyne
Truth is at a push maybe De Gea but Ederson is perfect fit for a City side |
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highly unlikely we get hugely dragged into the europa league. we don't care much for it - haven't got past the quarter finals in umpteen recent attempts. most likely we'll go out in the first 2 knock out rounds however poor the opposition might be
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Scandinavian, think you are wrong about Pogba. Of course his attitude at the World Cup was fine because it's a short period with a massive trophy at the end. For Juve he was strolling through games most of the time but in Italy for Juve he could. His attitude since aged 17/18 has always been bad. He forced through the move to Man Utd when Mourinho was manager yet his attitude has been questionable more or less from the start. He'll play with a better attitude when he's looking to put himself in the shop window. Until then he won't care regardless of who is in charge. Along with Sanchez he remains a very poor buy (for the money involved) as they only really care about themselves not about any team ethic. Lukaku and Matic were poor buys for other reasons. Lukaku just isn't very good and Matic had already peaked and was on the downgrade. Overall Utd's transfer policy since Fergie left has been abysmal and that's part of the reason they are languishing so badly. It's hard to remember who was the last good signing. Probably Zaha and then they didn't give him a kick!
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Sterling is a Jamaican .
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Pogba was with France though qualifying and all the way to the European Championship final, done it for France over a long period of time as first choice. Considering he's working with an ego maniac he's attitude's been pretty good, at least he didn't do what Hazard did, another who in the end couldn't stand him, bby flipping his hand up to him when he was coming off as if to say get lost. Juve got a good deal for him.
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Guardiola would as Ederson clearly fits his philosophybut most other managers wouldn't. Nothing against Ederson, he's a very good keeper and clearly exceptional with his feet. De Gea has generallybeen the best in the world for a few years now though.
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lfc1971 25 Nov 18 08:00 Joined: 06 Nov 11 | Topic/replies: 29,116 | Blogger: lfc1971's blog
^ silly boy , Spurs 3-1 win against Chelsea was more impressive than city’s as was Liverpool’s away win WTF are you going on about? What have LFC & THFC wins got to do when comparing Utd V City?!!! You picked 7 out of 11 players from Utd in a combined side with City. I said you are a moron. Yesterdays results and your moving the goalposts yet again shows it to be more valid than ever. I mean Matic above Fernandinho for eg. is ridiculous. I am amazed how you can always have so much conviction about absolutely everything and yet be so utterly clueless on all subject matters. |
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charwell I said that there wasn’t much between the top 5 or 6 teams , player for player
Last time I looked Liverpool and spurs were two of the top 5 or 6 teams Now pipe down , I don’t want to have to keep explaining things to you |
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charwell I said that there wasn’t much between the top 5 or 6 teams , player for player
Stop being thick/contrary. City are miles ahead of Utd player for player; which makes your 7 out of 11 Utd players in a combined team an absolute load of bollox. I would seriously struggle to name 2. Now please stop digging and admit you are wrong every once in a while. |
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Player for player - if you put an 11 together and forget who the manager is
De gea is superior to Ederson Smalling is generally on the same level to City's centre backs Shaw imo is a better left back than Mendy, at least from what I've seen he definitely has that potential. Pogba would get in the same team but not in favour of Silva/De Bruyne. Martial I'd have in on the left hand side over Sane. Matic whilst according to some not in his best form, is not a lesser player than Fernandiho who's what 34 now? I think player for player you can make a case for 5/6 United players it's just that under Mourinho that all look so abject at times, they need a new manager. But of course, De Bruyne, Silva, Walker, Aguero are shoe-in's for any combined teams, the rest you can debate. And as said before, with City's defence, they're never really tested because the front six have the ball so much so it's not because they're all so great that they concede so few, they've generally been exposed in Europe however by better teams, even Lyon who will probably score on Tuesday imo. |
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City's defensive players pass the ball as much, if not more than the front six. United's defence can't pass, to start with :
Passes season to date : City top passers : Laporte 1151 Fernandinho 940 Walker 829 D Silva 801 Stones 669 B Silva 570 Mendy 565 United : Pogba 749 Matic 617 Shaw 613 Lindelof 562 Smalling 446 |