Football
Ridiculous Statement from Ministry of Justice on Ched Evans
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We will see...
As for Lurka we have all been there there but I suspect that there will be a angst in the BBC when the half-wit is pardoned... Cannot wait for the fall out... The whole rancid left wing organisation should be closed down and all pensions be cancelled... |
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Lurka is correct...
I should be able to parade my body in the Gay Quarter in Manchester.Show my bottom flaps drink myself stupid take off my clothes and be able to walk home in safety... A basic Human Right. |
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I'm sure you'd be safe...you're probably equally repulsive to any one of any gender or sexual orientation
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'I'm still not convinced he raped her or thought he was raping her'. What if he was reckless about whether she was in a position to consent? What if he didn't care either way? It is slightly irrelevant whether you are convinced btw, there were 12 people whose opinion was relevant and we all know what way they went.
More importantly is that you seem to be attaching some relevance as to what Evans thought he was doing. That is relevant only if the prospect of his being mistaken was realistic, ie reasonable grounds for believing otherwise. There is no basis for this. Simply NONE. |
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considering all the evidence, U have summed hft up very well PJMASTER
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Feck me the politically correct on a forum that is set up to fleece the feckless...
Not sure where they come from but am dam sure that I know what they will be doing after lights out... PJMaster...Not sure that I would wish to meet him/her before dark...  |
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lurka
'I'm still not convinced he raped her or thought he was raping her'. What if he was reckless about whether she was in a position to consent? What if he didn't care either way? It is slightly irrelevant whether you are convinced btw, there were 12 people whose opinion was relevant and we all know what way they went. More importantly is that you seem to be attaching some relevance as to what Evans thought he was doing. That is relevant only if the prospect of his being mistaken was realistic, ie reasonable grounds for believing otherwise. There is no basis for this. Simply NONE. It's as relevant or irrelevant as anything you are saying in the context of this forum. |
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lurka
'I'm still not convinced he raped her or thought he was raping her'. What if he was reckless about whether she was in a position to consent? What if he didn't care either way? It is slightly irrelevant whether you are convinced btw, there were 12 people whose opinion was relevant and we all know what way they went. More importantly is that you seem to be attaching some relevance as to what Evans thought he was doing. That is relevant only if the prospect of his being mistaken was realistic, ie reasonable grounds for believing otherwise. There is no basis for this. Simply NONE. Do you think that putting none in higher case letters strengthened your argument. This was an argument put forward in court and is simply an opinion of the facts. Not a fact in itself but merely an opinion of the facts. Stop promoting yourself as the expert on this case. You, like the rest of us, merely have an opinion and nothing else. |
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'It's as relevant or irrelevant as anything you are saying in the context of this forum.'
Aka, how is what the jury thought was relevant of any relevance to what you thought? Were you a juror in this case? If not then your opinion is as irreelvant as mine |
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He will be found Not Guilty so all of this is bluster...
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On what grounds will he be found not guilty? Are you aware of some new evidence which will overturn the original verdict?
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aka i'm a qualified solicitor (in ireland). I'm not an expert by any means. Haven't practised in 3 years.
My quote 'More importantly is that you seem to be attaching some relevance as to what Evans thought he was doing. That is relevant only if the prospect of his being mistaken was realistic, ie reasonable grounds for believing otherwise. There is no basis for this. Simply NONE.' Explain to me why what Evans thought he was doing has any relevance?!!! His and Mcdonald's evidence was that she consented. She gave no evidence as to her state, her position was that she couldn't remember anything. That is evidence of incapacity to consent, legally. The jury made a decision here - direct evidence from the defendants that she consented versus 'i don't remember'. We all know what decision they made and it was fundamental to the case. Maybe you have an issue with that decision? If so, what is the issue? Every jury has a decision to make and it normally comes down to who do you believe and who do you not (normally based on conflicting evidence as in this case). As regards 'NONE' - do you now accept that even if Evans thought he was shagging a prostitute that someone else had paid for, the fact is the girl he stuck his knob into didn't say yes (to him) and wasn't in a position to say yes because she was too drunk. Yes or nbo answer please..... |
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Why does every thread about this kn0b end up with some kind of re-run of the trial? The trial is over. Done.
His application to the CCRC may be successful but even if it is, that doesn't mean his appeal will be. Let the wheels of justice grind on and in the meantime how about we try to avoid getting this thread pulled in the manner of the other one(s)? |
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I have no fcking clue what that means in this context, but I've been reading the Newcastle thread a lot lately so I'll handle it.
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pando, as i understand it, he has exhausted his appeal process. The CCRC will either grant him a retrial or that will be it. He tried to appeal twice but leave to appeal was refused
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he made application for leave to appeal to the court that convicted him - refused. Appealed to the appeal court, again refused. You need to show a good reason to be granted a full appeal - he couldn't. IMO it is more certain that the CCRC will uphold the verdict than it would if it were a full retrial by an appeal court. They have less to go on than a full appeal court would.
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Ched Evans is not the problem in the UK. Take your country back from the real séx offenders. They have taken over the place.........
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Beginning to see why you don't practice anymore lurka. Take yer agenda and go away.
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I think that's about right.
The CCRC can, though, get hold of information denied to the defence at the time of the original trial - if any. There seems to be a misconception generally that he is appealing the conviction and that it will either fail or succeed. He's only got as far as applying for an appeal in effect. Either way, guilty or appeal granted, successful and conviction quashed, the bloke's a kn0bhead simply based on his behaviour that no-one contests. |
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By the way, hft might be right and eventually the conviction will be quashed, but at 4/9 I think I'll leave my money where it is.
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Aka i'll let you put 2 + 2 together there as to why i don't practice anymore.....
Why don't you address the points i've made though? A jury found him guilty on the facts. I don't feel they were wrong on the facts. Do you? If so, then why? Base it on the facts of the case please |
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The fact that he's done his time and has a right to work isn't really the point. Would you want your club to sign a player convicted of raping an 11 year old girl? One who had served his time. Almost certainly everyone would say no. How about a player convicted of stealing a loaf of bread? All would say yes? Somewhere between those offences lies the line of acceptability. Where do you draw the line, for your club, that's the question?
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he hasn't done his time. read the case
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What I doubt is the girl saying she has no recollection of events. Unless she was comatose and had to be carried there, which she wasn't, I'm not buying that.
Now while I admit he acted in a vile manner I couldn't be sure that he didn't believe she was 'up for it' to use a phrase others have used. I also think her actions in going to a hotel room with the other player sent out signals that she was a go'er. I'm not saying 'she was asking for it' rather that she made it look that she was game. |
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He has done his time = i don't have a clue what i'm talking about
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you don't buy her evidence. But 12 people who heard more evidence than you dids, than i did, than anyone else did. But you know better
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'I couldn't be sure that he didn't believe she was 'up for it''
irrelevant what you think, you are not a juror. (thank the lord who doesn't exist)- |
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lurka
you don't buy her evidence. But 12 people who heard more evidence than you dids, than i did, than anyone else did. But you know better And juries never get it wrong? I've served as a juror. 3 or 4 people taking it 100% serious, which included me, and the rest wanting home. Now I'm not saying that was the case here but having experienced it twice now I know how easily some people are led. |
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akabula • January 4, 2015 11:56 PM GMT
What I doubt is the girl saying she has no recollection of events. Unless she was comatose and had to be carried there, which she wasn't, I'm not buying that. At least 200 times i've been in that condition |
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lurka I'm merely stating my opinion and tbh what some wee trumped up gobchyte like you thinks doesn't worry me.
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yes but not answering my points makes you a muppet
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lurka
akabula • January 4, 2015 11:56 PM GMT What I doubt is the girl saying she has no recollection of events. Unless she was comatose and had to be carried there, which she wasn't, I'm not buying that. At least 200 times i've been in that condition But the point is she wasn't. She walked into the hotel. |
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she didn't walk to the hotel. She got a taxi with a bloke she wanted to shag at the time
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and all was dandy. She went back to the hotel to shag mcdonald. where evans comes in is beyond me
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rape
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he went back to the hotel with the bloke she wanted to shag. Shagged him/was shagging and evans burst in
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