as he said he heard noises and concluded it was voluntary...it is difficult to argue anything other than it was voluntary

not if you use any common sense

that is what it says?  we what have no idea about this women's state of mind either do we

*your

what have I twisted? You said the porter used the word voluntary and he didn't

He also said she was extremely drunk, unsteady on her feet and had a blank expression
give me the link to that

you see that would also prove McDonald of rape, because he can no longer argue, that he believed she wanted sex
because he would see she is incapable of making for decision for herself

It is on [i]she is incapable of making for decision for herself[/i] that Evans has been convicted of rape

I am just trying to establish your position shrewd because she is either capable or incapable
it is impossible to both at the same time

My position is they did not

Do you know why the law is as it is?
It is to deal with cases when men use date rape drugs or copious amounts of alcohol to render a woman
incapable of making a decision....so they cannot used the defence she said yes

But it has been misused here, because the woman got herself drunk, she is responsible for this situation herself

Shrewd Dude
My position is that the jury were entitled to find beyond reasonable doubt she didn't have the capacity to consent.

fair enough, then how come McDonald has been found innocent, that contradicts justice

If you say McDonald had reasonable belief she wanted sex because she went back to the hotel with him
then I would say that Evans also had reasonable belief she wanted sex with him when she said 'yes'

Also McDonald who had picked her up would have had a greater opportunity to judge her capacity or incapacity to make a decision for herself
how is Evans supposed to know, he cannot read her mind

I do not see rape has been proved beyond reasonable doubt, that is where we differ

So Evans is innocent

this is my opinion

whilst evans gets all the flack for been found guilty mcdonald just carrys on with his life and women arnt protesting he shouldnt do this job or that job,
but because he was cleared of rape all evans did was watch a couple having sex,but mcdonald stood there according to the jury, watched a woman been raped ,didnt report it and didnt help her during the rape or afterwards,but in general evans is considered a monster and mcdonald can jog on,women have a strange sense of right and wrong but there again one of the main campaigners worships mike tyson,

HOPE THEY GET RELEGATED