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By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 01:52
That's one of the first lessons I learnt. That when I lost I immediately headed for the goals markets and the lays of under 6.5 etc. I've since avoided them and I've done much better.
By:
bkkboy
When: 04 Dec 12 01:52
i don't think anyone except bookies can profit long term from them. I did some quite intensive mathematical models on them, and just couldn't come out with anything decent.
By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 01:52
My favourite bet that I use is the lay of the away team leading at HT.
By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 01:53
the only time I will entertain a 'goals bet' is if the market shows a clear goals fix.
By:
bkkboy
When: 04 Dec 12 01:53
Betting on goals is like betting on black/red on roulette
By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 01:53
Exactly!!
By:
bkkboy
When: 04 Dec 12 01:54
independent exclusive events, but somehow people find the relationship in the outcomes lol
By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 01:54
That's the conclusion I came to.
By:
bkkboy
When: 04 Dec 12 01:54
"oh, its been red the last 8 times, it's got to be black this time!!!" lol
By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 01:55
OVER 2.5 FULL BANK
By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 01:55
Happy
By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 01:55
oh **** it's 0-0 at 72 mins.. red out for loss of majority of bank
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 04 Dec 12 01:55

Dec 4, 2012 -- 1:53AM, bkkboy wrote:


Betting on goals is like betting on black/red on roulette


There's only one way to guarantee winning at roulette.

By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 01:55
2-1 FT!
By:
bkkboy
When: 04 Dec 12 01:55
the difference is, people go with the trend with goals. They say "oh, 8 of 9 games gone ov 2.5, def goals in this....nailed on.........full bank job"
By:
bkkboy
When: 04 Dec 12 01:57
if I was looking for an edge in goals markets, I would be analysing shot/goal ratios, but can't be bothered with any of that.........it's still a lottery
By:
themover
When: 04 Dec 12 01:58

Dec 4, 2012 -- 1:53AM, bkkboy wrote:


Betting on goals is like betting on black/red on roulette


not necessarily Silly It's only the same as pricing up any other market. For example Bayern Munich v BATE Under 0.5 is currently 34.0 (3% give or take) when the probability is double that but still only a 6% probability (you can imagine the length of my losing runs!)

By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 01:58
surely there must be a long term way to beat the goal market though?
By:
bkkboy
When: 04 Dec 12 01:58
Do you know that in the premier league it is an average of 9.5 shots per goal...............whereas barca have only 5 shots per goal ExcitedExcited
By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 01:59
that's because Barca walk the ball in!
By:
bkkboy
When: 04 Dec 12 01:59

Dec 4, 2012 -- 1:58AM, wisewords wrote:


surely there must be a long term way to beat the goal market though?


Yes there is, provide prices on both sides of each market with a built in 10% edge :)

By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 02:00
What do you think the longest run of games under 2.5 there has been in the PL? Surely no more than 20 games?
By:
bkkboy
When: 04 Dec 12 02:00
I do actually bet on football (not just for fun), but I only do AH, nothing else
By:
bkkboy
When: 04 Dec 12 02:02

Dec 4, 2012 -- 2:00AM, wisewords wrote:


What do you think the longest run of games under 2.5 there has been in the PL? Surely no more than 20 games?


no idea, but I doubt it is more than 15

By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 02:03
my theory wouldn't work as games kick off at the same time.
By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 02:04
but if you bet on them all at over 2.5.. increasing stakes each match.. with a big enough bank surely you can't lose?
By:
bkkboy
When: 04 Dec 12 02:05
same with anything, if you keep increasing stakes, you cannot lose...........but do you have an infinite bank?
By:
themover
When: 04 Dec 12 02:05
48% are unders, 52% are overs - that is red or black Laugh
By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 02:05
it's crazy though.. it's like betting £20,000 to win £2
By:
bkkboy
When: 04 Dec 12 02:05
one of the reasons casinos put limits in place, to stop people doing martingale
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 04 Dec 12 02:05

Dec 4, 2012 -- 2:05AM, themover wrote:


48% are unders, 52% are overs - that is red or black


1% chance of 15 games under 2.5 goals then.

By:
bkkboy
When: 04 Dec 12 02:06
yep, it's not worth it, because you are only ever winning your initial stake, which is miniscule
By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 02:06
martingale can work great short term for you. especially if you are shrewd with your choices and don't think martingale is a full proof method..
By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 02:06
fool*
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 04 Dec 12 02:06

Dec 4, 2012 -- 2:04AM, wisewords wrote:


but if you bet on them all at over 2.5.. increasing stakes each match.. with a big enough bank surely you can't lose?


That sounds all too much like Martingaling. Don't even go there.

By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 02:07
I think Martingaling can work short term if you bet shrewdly with decreasing frequency.. I guess I'm just naiive to this game
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 04 Dec 12 02:08
Martingaling can go wrong at any time. First time you try it you could get a run of 15 blacks while you're backing red.
By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 02:08
What do you think of this system... you have a bank of say circa 15k
By:
wisewords
When: 04 Dec 12 02:09
your aim is to win 4 lays of prices 1.8-2ish in a row. you deposit £10 at a time. four successful lays pay out ~£150
By:
themover
When: 04 Dec 12 02:09
Martingale doesn't work FACT. If it did we would all be in clover Laugh
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