the Chelsea Lay is £2.01 actually to round up the total stake figure

Added Time goals really taking the piss on this thread now

moved Sunderland back to 10 and QPR back to 17.5

think Liverpool lay @1.42 will be matched

Ratings for tommorow's FA Cup teams

Team	Rating		Team	Rating
Arsenal	94.5		Swansea	85.5
Liverpool	94.5		Mansfield	59.0

Don't maintain ratings for lower league clubs but that would be a decent estimate of Mansfield i think .This would produce these prices

	Home		Draw	Away
3.64	Swansea		3.52	Arsenal		2.26
40	Mansfield		11	Liverpool		1.13

Those odds are for normal strength teams .I don't think Arsenal will rest players here .Liverpool will rest a few but they don't have a big squad and i think ti will be all recognisable players so i don't think it should be much bigger than 1.13 whatever particular line up starts

£2 Draw@3.8 (Swansea v Arsenal)
£9 Liverpool@1.23 v Mansfield

No chance getting those matched so will instead have

£2 Draw@5.5 (Chelsea v Swansea)

^ think it was Evens , very comfortable bet to watch that would have been

	Match		P/L	Bet 1		Bet 2	Stake		Return	Tot.Stk.		Tot.Ret.	ROI		Bank	Com.Tot.
122	QPR v West Brom		£7.27	£3 West Brom@3.55			£3.00		£10.27	£615.00		£543.02	88.30%		£228.02	£17.28
123	Reading v West Ham		£4.15	£6.99 Lay, West Ham@2.60			£6.99		£11.14	£621.99		£554.16	89.09%		£232.17	£17.50
124	Arsenal v Newcastle		£9.00	£6 Lay, Arsenal@1.46		£3 Newcastle@8.6	£9.00		£0.00	£630.99		£554.16	87.82%		£223.17	£17.50
125	Wigan v Man United		£1.99	£8.99 Lay, Wigan@5.3			£8.99		£10.98
126	Man City v Stoke		£2.00	£2 Stoke@13			£2.00		£0.00
127	West Ham v Norwich		£7.00	£4 Lay, West Ham@2.04		£3 Norwich@4	£7.00		£0.00
128	Swansea v Aston Villa		£1.96	£4 Lay, Swansea@1.66		£4 Aston Villa@6.2	£8.00		£9.96	£656.98		£575.10	87.53%		£218.12	£17.70
129	Southampton v Arsenal		£0.74	£2 Lay, Arsenal@1.72		£2 Southampton@5.4	£4.00		£4.74	£660.98		£579.84	87.72%		£218.86	£17.74
130	Liverpool v Sunderland		£5.00	£3 Lay, Liverpool@1.42		£2 Sunderland@10	£5.00		£0.00
131	Chelsea v QPR		£39.32	£2.01 Lay, Chelsea@1.24		£2 QPR@17.5	£4.01		£43.33
132	Newcastle v Everton		£9.00	£5 Lay, Everton@2.36		£4 Newcastle@3.4	£9.00		£0.00	£678.99		£623.17	91.78%		£244.18	£19.81
133	Swansea v Arsenal		£5.32	£2 Draw@3.8			£2.00		£7.32	£680.99		£630.49	92.58%		£249.50	£20.13
134	Mansfield v Liverpool		£1.97	£9 Liverpool@1.23			£9.00		£10.97	£689.99		£641.46	92.97%		£251.47	£20.23
135	Bradford v Aston Villa		£7.00	£7 Aston Villa@1.78			£7.00		£0.00	£696.99		£641.46	92.03%		£244.47	£20.23
136	Chelsea v Swansea		£2.00	£2 Draw@5.5			£2.00		£0.00	£698.99		£641.46	91.77%		£242.47	£20.23

none of these bets matched, was looking at the sunday games but markets stopped loading

£6 Aston Villa@2.66
£2.01 (liabilty)Lay, Everton@1.58 & £2 Swansea@6.8
£5 Newcastle@3.7
£3 (liabilty)Lay, West Brom@2.42

the Arsenal Lay now £3.99 @2.56 as can see them coming in more

£3 Sunderland@2.54

would like to have backed Stoke@5.1 ,Sunderland @2.7,Fulham 2.2 but been waiting 10 minutes for markets to load since logging on

£3 Draw Arsenal v Man City , Arsenal lay unmatched

Team	Rating		Team	Rating
Barcelona	107.5		Rayo Vallecano	86.0
Real Madrid	104.5		Getafe	85.5
Atletico Madrid	98.5		Valladolid	85.0
Malaga	94.5		Zaragoza	84.5
Valencia	92.5		Celta Vigo	84.5
Levante	88.0		Mallorca	84.0
Real Sociedad	88.0		Osasuna	83.5
Sevilla	88.0		Espanol	82.5
Athletic Bilbao	87.5		Granada	82.0
Betis	87.5		Deportivo	82.0

	Home		Draw	Away
4.81	Malaga		4.0	Barcelona		1.85

Made an adjustment to the pricing table (higher draw price) for this match

£5 (liabilty) Lay,Barcelona@1.53 & £3 Malaga @7.4

	Home		Draw	Away
1.37	Chelsea		5.51	Southampton		11.24
1.61	Arsenal		4.22	Swansea		7
1.37	Man United		5.21	West Ham		11.24

£2.01 (liabilty) Lay ,Chelsea@1.23 & £2 Southampton@17
£2 (liabilty) Lay ,Arsenal@1.49

£2 (liabilty) Lay,Barcelona@1.16 v Malaga

not got the table for the precise odds but would have it a lot bigger than that

Done a new table now for converting the ratings to odds . Think the one on page 1 is only much use for low goals expectancy matches , teams like Stoke et al . Also felt the draw odds were not going up as quickly as they should when it came to matches with an overwhelming favourite so this table should be better and suitable for most games.

Differential	Team 1		Draw	Team 2		Differential	Team 1		Draw	Team 2		Differential	Team 1		Draw	Team 2
0	2.83		3.40	2.83		10.5	1.64		4.4	6.17		21	1.18		8.5	29
0.5	2.76		3.43	2.89		11	1.61		4.5	6.46		21.5	1.17		8.9	31.1
1	2.7		3.45	2.95		11.5	1.57		4.6	6.79		22	1.16		9.4	32.7
1.5	2.63		3.48	3.01		12	1.54		4.75	7.06		22.5	1.15		9.9	34.5
2	2.57		3.5	3.08		12.5	1.51		4.9	7.37		23	1.14		10.5	36
2.5	2.50		3.55	3.14		13	1.49		5.05	7.75		23.5	1.13		11.25	b]38[/b]
3	2.43		3.58	3.23		13.5	1.46		5.2	8.18		24	1.12		12	40
3.5	2.6		3.6	3.35		14	1.43		5.35	8.67		24.5	1.11		13	42.2
4	2.29		3.63	3.47		14.5	1.41		5.5	9.23		25	1.10		14	44
4.5	2.23		3.65	3.61		15	1.39		5.65	9.88		25.5	1.10		15	47
5	2.16		3.68	3.76		15.5	1.36		5.8	10.6		26	1.09		16	50
5.5	2.10		3.70	3.93		16	1.34		5.95	11.51		26.5	1.08		17	55
6	2.05		3.73	4.11		16.5	1.32		6.1	12.53		27	1.08		18	61
6.5	1.99		3.77	4.31		17	1.30		6.3	13.55		27.5	1.07		20	67
7	1.94		3.82	4.51		17.5	1.28		6.5	14.8		28	1.06		22	73
7.5	1.88		3.87	4.74		18	1.27		6.7	16.3		28.5	1.06		25	77
8	1.84		3.93	4.98		18.5	1.25		7	17.5		29	1.05		28	83
8.5	1.79		4	5.2		19	1.23		7.3	19		29.5	1.05		30	91
9	1.75		4.1	5.4		19.5	1.22		7.6	21		30	1.04		33	100
9.5	1.71		4.22	5.6		20	1.20		7.9	23.5		30.5	1.04		40	111
10	1.67		4.35	5.8		20.5	1.19		8.2	26		31	1.03		50	125

£2 (liabilty) Lay. Liverpool@1.35 & £2 Norwich@11.5
£5 Newcastle@1.81
£4 Stoke@4.3
£2 Draw, Tottenham v Man United@3.65

£3 (liabilty) Lay, Granada@2.34 & £2 Rayo Vallecano@3.4
£2 Getafe@3.1
£7 Malaga@1.73
£2 (liabilty) Lay, Athletico Madrid@1.30 & £2 Levante @13.5
£5 (liabilty) Lay, Draw (Osasuna v Deportivo)
£2 Zaragoza@4.1
£3 (liabilty) Lay, Betis@1.92 & £2 Bilbao@4.5

£3 (liabilty) Lay, Man United@2.48

	Match		P/L	Bet 1		Bet 2	Stake		Return	Tot.Stk.		Tot.Ret.	ROI		Bank	Com.Tot.
143	Malaga v Barcelona		£8.00	£5 Lay, Barcelona@1.53		£3 Malaga@7.4	£8.00		£0.00	£729.99		£656.55	89.94%		£226.56	£20.66
144	Chelsea v Southampton		£6.42	£2.01 Lay, Chelsea@1.23		£2 Southampton@17	£4.01		£10.43
145	Barcelona v Malaga		£11.90	£2 Lay, Barcelona@1.16			£2.00		£13.90	£736.00		£680.88	92.51%		£244.88	£21.63
146	Granada v Rayo Vallecano		£5.00	£3 Lay, Granada@2.34		£2 Rayo Vallecano@3.4	£5.00		£0.00
147	Liverpool v Norwich		£4.00	£2 Lay, Liverpool@1.35		£2 Norwich@11.5	£4.00		£0.00
148	Newcastle v Reading		£5.00	£5 Newcastle@1.81			£5.00		£0.00
149	Swansea v Stoke		£4.00	£4 Stoke@4.3			£4.00		£0.00	£754.00		£680.88	90.30%		£226.88	£21.63
150	Getafe v Sevilla		£2.00	£2 Getafe@3.1			£2.00		£0.00	£756.00		£680.88	90.06%		£224.88	£21.63
151	Malaga v Celta Vigo		£7.00	£7 Malaga@1.73			£7.00		£0.00	£763.00		£680.88	89.23%		£217.88	£21.63
152	Osasuna v Deportivo		£1.90	£5 Lay, Draw@3.5			£5.00		£6.90	£768.00		£687.78	89.55%		£219.78	£21.73
153	Valladolid v Zaragoza		£2.00	£2 Zaragoza@4.1			£2.00		£0.00
154	Tottenham v Man Utd		£6.96	£2 Draw3.65		£3Lay, Man United@2.48	£5.00		£11.96	£775.00		£699.74	90.29%		£224.74	£22.10
155	Athletico Madrid v Levante		£2.00	£2.00 Levante13.5			£2.00		£0.00	£777.00		£699.74	90.06%		£222.74	£22.10
156	Valencia v Real Madrid		£8.66	£9 Real Madrid@2.01			£9.00		£17.66	£786.00		£717.40	91.27%		£231.40	£22.56
157	Betis v Athletic Bilbao		£2.00	£2 Athletic Bilbao@4.5			£2.00		£0.00	£788.00		£717.40	91.04%		£229.40	£22.56

	Match		P/L	Bet 1		Bet 2	Stake		Return	Tot.Stk.		Tot.Ret.	ROI		Bank	Com.Tot.
149	Swansea v Stoke		£4.00	£4 Stoke@4.3			£4.00		£0.00	£754.00		£680.88	90.30%		£226.88	£21.63
150	Getafe v Sevilla		£2.00	£2 Getafe@3.1			£2.00		£0.00	£756.00		£680.88	90.06%		£224.88	£21.63
151	Malaga v Celta Vigo		£7.00	£7 Malaga@1.73			£7.00		£0.00	£763.00		£680.88	89.23%		£217.88	£21.63
152	Osasuna v Deportivo		£1.90	£5 Lay, Draw@3.5			£5.00		£6.90	£768.00		£687.78	89.55%		£219.78	£21.73
153	Valladolid v Zaragoza		£2.00	£2 Zaragoza@4.1			£2.00		£0.00
154	Tottenham v Man Utd		£6.96	£2 Draw@3.65		£3 Lay, Man United@2.48	£5.00		£11.96	£775.00		£699.74	90.29%		£224.74	£22.10
155	Athletico Madrid v Levante		£2.00	£2.00 Levante13.5			£2.00		£0.00	£777.00		£699.74	90.06%		£222.74	£22.10
156	Valencia v Real Madrid		£8.66	£9 Real Madrid@2.01			£9.00		£17.66	£786.00		£717.40	91.27%		£231.40	£22.56
157	Betis v Athletic Bilbao		£2.00	£2 Athletic Bilbao@4.5			£2.00		£0.00	£788.00		£717.40	91.04%		£229.40	£22.56
158	Sevilla v Zaragoza		£8.00	£6 Lay, Sevilla@1.48		£2 Zaragoza@8.6	£8.00		£0.00
159	Swansea v Chelsea		£2.00	£2 Swansea@4.6			£2.00		£0.00
160	Arsenal v West Ham		£2.01	£4 Draw@1.53			£4.00		£6.01	£802.00		£723.41	90.20%		£221.41	£22.67
161	Betis v Athletico Madrid		£7.00	£7 Athletico Madrid@2.42			£7.00		£0.00	£809.00		£723.41	89.42%		£214.41	£22.67
162	Malaga v Barcelona		£4.00	£2 Lay,Barcelona@1.48		£2 Malaga@8.2	£4.00		£0.00	£813.00		£723.41	88.98%		£210.41	£22.67

Team	Rating		Team	Rating
Barcelona	108.0		Rayo Vallecano	85.5
Real Madrid	104.5		Getafe	85.5
Athletico Madrid	98.5		Valladolid	85.0
Malaga	94.0		Celta Vigo	84.0
Valencia	92.5		Mallorca	84.0
Seville	88.5		Zaragoza	83.5
Real Sociedad	88.0		Osasuna	83.5
Betis	87.5		Espanol	82.0
Levante	87.0		Granada	82.0
Athletic Bilbao	87.0		Deportivo La Coruna	82.0

	Home		Draw	Away
1.14	Real Madrid		10.5	Getafe		36
2.57	Rayo Vallecano		3.50	Betis		3.08
4.74	Athletic Bilbao		3.87	Athletico Madrid		1.88
1.06	Barcelona		25	Osasuna		77
4.11	Mallorca		3.73	Malaga		2.05
1.64	Sevilla		4.4	Granada		6.17

Team	Rating		Team	Rating
Chelsea	96.5		Leeds	80.0
Tottenham	95.5		Brentford	75.5
Liverpool	94.5		Oldham	68.5

	Home		Draw	Away
13.55	Brentford		6.3	Chelsea		1.30
6.79	Leeds		4.6	Tottenham		1.57
32.7	Oldham		9.4	Liverpool		1.16

£6 Liverpool@1.28
£2 Betis@3.8
£9 Barcelona@1.12
£7 Athletico Madrid@2.56
£5 (liabilty) Lay, Mallorca@2.9 & £4 Malaga@2.74
£2 (liabilty) Lay,Seville@1.47 & £2 Granada@9.2

Team	Rating		Team	Rating
Man City	100.0		Fulham	85.5
Man United	99.5		Stoke	85.5
Chelsea	96.5		Sunderland	85.0
Tottenham	95.5		Norwich	84.5
Liverpool	94.5		West Ham	84.5
Arsenal	94.5		Wigan	83.5
Everton	92.0		Aston Villa	83.0
Newcastle	87.5		Southampton	82.0
West Brom	86.0		QPR	82.0
Swansea	86.0		Reading	81.5

	Home		Draw	Away
2.83	Aston Villa		3.40	Newcastle		2.83
8.67	QPR		5.35	Man City		1.43
2.08	Stoke		3.63	Wigan		4.06
2.45	Sunderland		3.41	Swansea		3.34
2.29	Arsenal		3.63	Liverpool		3.47
1.67	Everton		4.35	West Brom		5.8
4.51	Norwich		3.82	Tottenham		1.94
2.19	Fulham		3.57	West Ham		3.78
1.17	Man United		8.9	Southampton		31.1
6.46	Reading		4.5	Chelsea		1.61

£5 Man City@1.54
£3 Sunderland@2.7
£3 Arsenal@2.62
£2 West Brom@7
£6 Man United@1.27
£3 (liabilty) Lay,Chelsea@1.47 & £2 Reading@8.2

Team	Rating		Team	Rating
Barcelona	108.0		Athletico Madrid	98.0
Real Madrid	104.5		Sevilla	89.0

	Home		Draw	Away
2.76	Real Madrid		3.43	Barcelona		2.89
1.49	Athletico Madrid		5.05	Sevilla		7.75

£5 (liabilty) Lay,Barcelona@2.34